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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 22 1.18am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I often struggle to discern your logic, as now. As soon as you describe Brexit as a democratic process we partcompany. It wasn’t. Triggering Article 50 was what gave it legitimacy. I have never complained that Trump’s election wasn’t democratic, only that it was sufficiently tampered with to cause concern. It’s his behaviour since which seriously threatens democracy. Although I always thought, and continue to think Brexit was stupid and should have been avoided by Parliament, I have done nothing to try to interfere with it. I just argue for a renegotiation of the deal which would lead to a more sensible future relationship. I am not just going to sit idly by if circumstances demand that yesterday’ changes don’t suit tomorrow’s needs. Hypocrite....ultimately, it's the only conclusion. You tell others to embrace change yet do nothing but complain about events that you yourself don't like. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2022 1.19am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 22 1.18am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I often struggle to discern your logic, as now.

As soon as you describe Brexit as a democratic process we partcompany. It wasn’t.

Triggering Article 50 was what gave it legitimacy.

I have never complained that Trump’s election wasn’t democratic, only that it was sufficiently tampered with to cause concern. It’s his behaviour since which seriously threatens democracy.

Although I always thought, and continue to think Brexit was stupid and should have been avoided by Parliament, I have done nothing to try to interfere with it. I just argue for a renegotiation of the deal which would lead to a more sensible future relationship.

I am not just going to sit idly by if circumstances demand that yesterday’ changes don’t suit tomorrow’s needs.

Hypocrite....ultimately, it's the only conclusion.

You tell others to embrace change yet do nothing but complain about events that you yourself don't like.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2022 1.19am)

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 22 1.24am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Indeed. He wasn't known to counter-terrorism police or the security services before the attack. Yet the report states that Tim Jacques' opinion is "that the suspect's actions were primarily driven by an extremist ideology", without any further explanation, bar the fact that he made some anti Muslim comments on Facebook. I'd like to know how he came to this conclusion. Edit: I presume he's not Jewish, although looking at him...(just kidding) Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (06 Nov 2022 1.16am) As we have seen with funding and also commentary, there is a political decision that has been made to disproportionally focus upon the white dissident right wing rather than where the vast majority of attacks actually come from. How those actually within these services square this with their actual job I wouldn't know. I suspect some of them are ideologically filtered to agree with that and some will just keep their heads down and pay their mortgages....it's just not a world I could personally accept. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 22 1.24am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Indeed. He wasn't known to counter-terrorism police or the security services before the attack. Yet the report states that Tim Jacques' opinion is "that the suspect's actions were primarily driven by an extremist ideology", without any further explanation, bar the fact that he made some anti Muslim comments on Facebook. I'd like to know how he came to this conclusion.

Edit: I presume he's not Jewish, although looking at him...(just kidding)

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (06 Nov 2022 1.16am)

As we have seen with funding and also commentary, there is a political decision that has been made to disproportionally focus upon the white dissident right wing rather than where the vast majority of attacks actually come from.

How those actually within these services square this with their actual job I wouldn't know. I suspect some of them are ideologically filtered to agree with that and some will just keep their heads down and pay their mortgages....it's just not a world I could personally accept.

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 22 4.00am
To discover what social liberalism and mass immigration has done to Britain you only have to compare it to the past when Britain was far more socially conservative and before mass immigration. It's pretty true for all social metrics. They downgraded society and use scare words against those who point it out. [Tweet Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 22 4.00am

To discover what social liberalism and mass immigration has done to Britain you only have to compare it to the past when Britain was far more socially conservative and before mass immigration.

It's pretty true for all social metrics. They downgraded society and use scare words against those who point it out.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Nov 22 9.03am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Hypocrite....ultimately, it's the only conclusion. You tell others to embrace change yet do nothing but complain about events that you yourself don't like. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2022 1.19am) When I suggest that change should be embraced it ought to be obvious that what is meant is the kind of change that is irreversible. Not to you though! Now there’s a surprise! So I’ll explain. As an example, whilst trying to fight the way technology has changed the world is pointless, resisting political change in our own country isn’t. That’s our duty. Resisting social change is unlikely to bear fruit, so is probably better to be embraced than fought against, but that’s up to the individual. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 06 Nov 22 9.03am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Hypocrite....ultimately, it's the only conclusion.

You tell others to embrace change yet do nothing but complain about events that you yourself don't like.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2022 1.19am)

When I suggest that change should be embraced it ought to be obvious that what is meant is the kind of change that is irreversible.

Not to you though! Now there’s a surprise!

So I’ll explain. As an example, whilst trying to fight the way technology has changed the world is pointless, resisting political change in our own country isn’t. That’s our duty. Resisting social change is unlikely to bear fruit, so is probably better to be embraced than fought against, but that’s up to the individual.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 22 10.53am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle When I suggest that change should be embraced it ought to be obvious that what is meant is the kind of change that is irreversible. Not to you though! Now there’s a surprise! So I’ll explain. As an example, whilst trying to fight the way technology has changed the world is pointless, resisting political change in our own country isn’t. That’s our duty. Resisting social change is unlikely to bear fruit, so is probably better to be embraced than fought against, but that’s up to the individual. Nonsense, you're just looking for excuses for yourself. Who has complained about technology? Tech itself is not an issue, the argument is always in how it is used. As for social change, that relies precisely on the political....they are related. The right need to retake the universities and media from the social liberals and communists and that can't happen without political change. Culture is downstream from law. Of course, this is about as realistic as Palace winning the champions league at the moment. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 22 10.53am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When I suggest that change should be embraced it ought to be obvious that what is meant is the kind of change that is irreversible.

Not to you though! Now there’s a surprise!

Nonsense, you're just looking for excuses for yourself.

Who has complained about technology? Tech itself is not an issue, the argument is always in how it is used.

As for social change, that relies precisely on the political....they are related. The right need to retake the universities and media from the social liberals and communists and that can't happen without political change.

Culture is downstream from law.

Of course, this is about as realistic as Palace winning the champions league at the moment.

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 22 11.13am
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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 22 11.43am
We need leaders and institutions that are fundamentally honest. We don't need, 'nudge units'...aka liars, we don't need 'behavioural scientists'....another term for 'scientists' prepared to lie to enable the whims of their paymasters. We need leaders who tell their society to be adults and take responsibility for their own health decisions and lives. When I grew up the right use to talk about the 'nanny state'....not anymore, they became it. Now I'm not attacking the principle of the welfare state here as I regard it as a hallmark of the first world and something wonderful our forebears created. Instead, what I am saying is that the 'nanny state' is a state of mind and one where people have been indoctrinated to fully trust the state and expect them to control everything to their benefit.....it's a myth and a dangerous one. Our elites are first and foremost about protecting themselves and their interests. It's independent of left or right. That is human nature and works in every sphere. The plebs come down the list and people should instinctively understand this. However, they should be held to account when they lie....that was far more the case in the past but now, as the media are complicit and went along with this all we get is silence from all of them. What I am arguing for is honesty and openness. Not manipulation and control. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2022 11.52am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 22 11.43am

We need leaders and institutions that are fundamentally honest.

We don't need, 'nudge units'...aka liars, we don't need 'behavioural scientists'....another term for 'scientists' prepared to lie to enable the whims of their paymasters. We need leaders who tell their society to be adults and take responsibility for their own health decisions and lives.

When I grew up the right use to talk about the 'nanny state'....not anymore, they became it. Now I'm not attacking the principle of the welfare state here as I regard it as a hallmark of the first world and something wonderful our forebears created.

Instead, what I am saying is that the 'nanny state' is a state of mind and one where people have been indoctrinated to fully trust the state and expect them to control everything to their benefit.....it's a myth and a dangerous one.

Our elites are first and foremost about protecting themselves and their interests. It's independent of left or right. That is human nature and works in every sphere. The plebs come down the list and people should instinctively understand this.

However, they should be held to account when they lie....that was far more the case in the past but now, as the media are complicit and went along with this all we get is silence from all of them.

What I am arguing for is honesty and openness. Not manipulation and control.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Nov 2022 11.52am)

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 22 3.03pm
I'll make a long term economically philosophical point here on where I think socioeconomic thinking has gone wrong....Whether its Blairism or right wing 'free markets' thinking. I think we need to get back to the national situation where capital succeeds or falls by its workforce. Where there is a symbolic relationship between the CEOs and those on the shop floor. Economies based upon high finance are disconnected from their impacts and represent the 'CEOs and investors from nowhere', to alter one of the few useful things May ever said as PM. Until we reconnect the fortunes of the rich to the fortunes of their workers we will continue to see decline regardless of the era. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 22 3.03pm

I'll make a long term economically philosophical point here on where I think socioeconomic thinking has gone wrong....Whether its Blairism or right wing 'free markets' thinking.

I think we need to get back to the national situation where capital succeeds or falls by its workforce. Where there is a symbolic relationship between the CEOs and those on the shop floor.

Economies based upon high finance are disconnected from their impacts and represent the 'CEOs and investors from nowhere', to alter one of the few useful things May ever said as PM. Until we reconnect the fortunes of the rich to the fortunes of their workers we will continue to see decline regardless of the era.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 06 Nov 22 3.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You didn't mention that though did you, you went with the ideology. Yet when it's one of their minority voting groups the left only want to highlight the 'mental illness' and to focus on the ideology becomes an 'ism'. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2022 10.21pm) I didn"t mention it in the op as i hadn"t heard it at that point- when they mentioned the illness i posted asap- i might deliver the tips and breaking news first at cpnews but i can"t look in to the future yet- although lots of my predictions regarding lizzy dripping and cruela came true, on the day predicted to!
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Any european country i fancy! 06 Nov 22 3.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You didn't mention that though did you, you went with the ideology.

Yet when it's one of their minority voting groups the left only want to highlight the 'mental illness' and to focus on the ideology becomes an 'ism'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Nov 2022 10.21pm)

I didn"t mention it in the op as i hadn"t heard it at that point- when they mentioned the illness i posted asap- i might deliver the tips and breaking news first at cpnews but i can"t look in to the future yet- although lots of my predictions regarding lizzy dripping and cruela came true, on the day predicted to!

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 06 Nov 22 4.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'll make a long term economically philosophical point here on where I think socioeconomic thinking has gone wrong....Whether its Blairism or right wing 'free markets' thinking. I think we need to get back to the national situation where capital succeeds or falls by its workforce. Where there is a symbolic relationship between the CEOs and those on the shop floor. Economies based upon high finance are disconnected from their impacts and represent the 'CEOs and investors from nowhere', to alter one of the few useful things May ever said as PM. Until we reconnect the fortunes of the rich to the fortunes of their workers we will continue to see decline regardless of the era. Perchance, symbiotic might be a better word to use ? But the points you have mooted are something a well-orientated society should strive for. Dinosaurs and their vegetative environments(as species) survived for millions of years with an instinct to kill/take what you need to survive. No more, no less. Where man has fcked its amazing technological abilities, it to politicise status and acquisition more than you need to achieve it. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (06 Nov 2022 4.25pm) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'll make a long term economically philosophical point here on where I think socioeconomic thinking has gone wrong....Whether its Blairism or right wing 'free markets' thinking.

I think we need to get back to the national situation where capital succeeds or falls by its workforce. Where there is a symbolic relationship between the CEOs and those on the shop floor.

Perchance, symbiotic might be a better word to use ?

But the points you have mooted are something a well-orientated society should strive for.
Dinosaurs and their vegetative environments(as species) survived for millions of years with an instinct to kill/take what you need to survive. No more, no less.
Where man has fcked its amazing technological abilities, it to politicise status and acquisition more than you need to achieve it.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (06 Nov 2022 4.25pm)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Stirlingsays 06 Nov 22 5.25pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Perchance, symbiotic might be a better word to use ? But the points you have mooted are something a well-orientated society should strive for. Dinosaurs and their vegetative environments(as species) survived for millions of years with an instinct to kill/take what you need to survive. No more, no less. Where man has fcked its amazing technological abilities, it to politicise status and acquisition more than you need to achieve it. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (06 Nov 2022 4.25pm) You're right, that's the word I was looking for! Lazy Stirling. Yep, we have allowed a disconnect to open up between the wealthy and poor, when a healthy society ensures that the fate of both are interwined....Allowing a state of affairs where one demographic can enrich while the other worsens is a recipe for decline....which we have seen.....it's essentially one of the worst aspects of globalism. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Nov 22 5.25pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Perchance, symbiotic might be a better word to use ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (06 Nov 2022 4.25pm)

You're right, that's the word I was looking for! Lazy Stirling.

Yep, we have allowed a disconnect to open up between the wealthy and poor, when a healthy society ensures that the fate of both are interwined....Allowing a state of affairs where one demographic can enrich while the other worsens is a recipe for decline....which we have seen.....it's essentially one of the worst aspects of globalism.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 06 Nov 22 6.26pm
Bump me up pl;ease = im back in October when we had a different CON pm, a different CON chancellor, and were £300 billion better off before the CON pm had a brainwave and put it on credit-with nothing to show!
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Bump me up pl;ease = im back in October when we had a different CON pm, a different CON chancellor, and were £300 billion better off before the CON pm had a brainwave and put it on credit-with nothing to show!

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