Bloody Brexit, I expect all those unemployed young Spaniards, Greeks and Italians are laughing at us and are so relieved their countries are on the mighty SS EU (aka Titanic).
You would also think the Capitalist scum who invest in the stock market would appreciate the catastrophic implications of running our own country and economy, instead of raising the FTSE to all time highs.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Regardless of Brexit, this'll probably happen anyway (to some degree).

Buy Litecoin.

My ideas have never even been nearly enacted by a rime minister in my lifetime mate, I don't expect it to change!

But I can at least be confident in Corbyn trying on matters I think are important. I think us letting tens of thousands of refugees drown in the sea is a scandal. I know it's something he cares about. I think inequality is a f*cking joke in Britain. It's what he's spent his whole life campaigning about. I think the very idea of establishing an NHS then let it fall in to ruin is a sign of a sick society. Ditto him.

Ok so his delivery's s*** but it's hardly helped by a media with a fairly explicit bias against him as Nick says. But compare it to the other side. I mean, what do the Tories even believe in? I honestly find it amazing that this question isn't asked more. Is there actually a firm thing they're moving towards or are they just prattling out empty bullsh*t like 'red white and blue brexit', 'caring society' and hoping everyone continues not to realise that they actually haven't got a f***ing clue what to do?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

It's actually a strength of the Tories not believing in specific things that become millstones around their necks, they can adapt as things change, doctrinaire socialists cannot.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

So we should vote for politicians who have the fewest beliefs then? I find your analysis really intriguing. What do you feel the Tories have managed to do with their visionless chamelionism?

To my mind, their lassez faire attitude to ideology has seen them set up an insane referendum which has divided both themselves and the country, and then jumped in to bed with Trump at the first chance!

It is political blairism at its most nauseating.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Yes, up to a point. Better to have leaders who can react to reality without worrying about sacred cows, zealots tend to plough on with policies that are not working because their 'theory' tells them it's right. Like the Remainers who, in the face of an obviously failing EU, refuse to abandon their pipe-dream of it working.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]