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 Spiderman  Horsham 23 Apr 20 8.43am |
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IMO what this crisis has highlighted is a need to invest more in U.K. companies and not be so reliant on imports. Now is the time to start investing in our own food producing companies as, apparently, the UN has predicted a possible famine of biblical proportions in the not to distant future.
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| Midlands Eagle 23 Apr 20 8.54am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Virgin Australia is Chinese owned and has just gone into Administration after having a bailout loan refused by the Australian government. According to my sister who has lived in Sydney for 40 years the Chinese knew about the impending worldwide crisis before opening up about it and used Virgin Australia to empty Australia of every bit of PPE that they could lay their hands on and send it back to China. Karma is a bitch as they say
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| Midlands Eagle 23 Apr 20 8.58am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
IMO what this crisis has highlighted is a need to invest more in U.K. companies and not be so reliant on imports. Now is the time to start investing in our own food producing companies as, apparently, the UN has predicted a possible famine of biblical proportions in the not to distant future. Once the crisis is over everyone will go back to buying from the cheapest provider.
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| stuckinbristol In the woodwork. 23 Apr 20 8.58am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
IMO what this crisis has highlighted is a need to invest more in U.K. companies and not be so reliant on imports. Now is the time to start investing in our own food producing companies as, apparently, the UN has predicted a possible famine of biblical proportions in the not to distant future. The problem being who is going to buy it once this virus has passed, it's all good making the best, but you have to be able to convince people to pay more for it.
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| Spiderman Horsham 23 Apr 20 9.30am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Virgin Australia is Chinese owned and has just gone into Administration after having a bailout loan refused by the Australian government. According to my sister who has lived in Sydney for 40 years the Chinese knew about the impending worldwide crisis before opening up about it and used Virgin Australia to empty Australia of every bit of PPE that they could lay their hands on and send it back to China. Karma is a bitch as they say Many countries including us have been sucking up to the Chinese for years, obviously to obtain trade deals. A few years ago when Osborne was Chancellor it was made easier for Chinese nationals to obtain visit/business/student visas than other nationalities. Obviously this was not officially published, but having worked as a Visa Officer abroad, if you are instructed to work in a certain way, you do. It’s the Foreign Office way of working, trade is the most important (understandably) aspect and therefore other sections have to fall in line
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Apr 20 9.33am |
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NHS PPE can be stockpiled and then be replaced and/or sold as it goes past use by date. PPE for the public is another matter. You can have your own supply of masks I suppose.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Apr 20 9.50am |
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Last night I kept hearing people on the tv talk about the possibility of a strict lockdown until we get a vaccine that might be Christmas, including the medical people on the vaccine debate on channel 4. I thought the hysteria had really happened. I then hear on Jeremy Vine on channel 5 that Matt Hancock talked about it yesterday. (Note that having a vaccine doesn’t mean everyone is instantly going to be given the vaccine. That could take longer again) This can’t be serious surely? 9 months of lockdown? I personally think we’re just going to copy Europe, especially Germany. The situation in America is interesting. The oddest thing I heard is in Georgia I think. They’re going to open barbers, tattoo parlours and bowling alleys but some requirement to social distance. I am getting closer to Stirling’s view. Vulnerable stay in and others gradually go out.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 Apr 20 9.58am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I am not sure whether Virgin is registered abroad but Branson definitely pays no tax here. Also Virgin airlines is 48% owned by Delta, perhaps he could try asking Trump for a bailout Switzerland apparently hence my dig at get the Swiss to bail him out. I agree with your other point about looking after our own. We need to identify key essential / materials / goods e.g. food and ensure that we produce as much as we can in the UK or at least order it from friendly democratic countries. If people want to buy cheap toys or clothes from China I don't care it is not essential. We should then use the tax system to encourage UK companies. The other big elephant in the room and my favourite hobby horse is energy security. We have to stop relying on the middle east and Russia either of which could turn off the tap at any time. A few decades back religious extremists attacked Mecca the full extent was hushed up at the time but they came very close to overthrowing the Saudi government if they had succeeded they probably would have turned off the oil just to punish the infidels. Edited by Badger11 (23 Apr 2020 10.00am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 Apr 20 10.02am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Last night I kept hearing people on the tv talk about the possibility of a strict lockdown until we get a vaccine that might be Christmas, including the medical people on the vaccine debate on channel 4. I thought the hysteria had really happened. I then hear on Jeremy Vine on channel 5 that Matt Hancock talked about it yesterday. (Note that having a vaccine doesn’t mean everyone is instantly going to be given the vaccine. That could take longer again) This can’t be serious surely? 9 months of lockdown? I personally think we’re just going to copy Europe, especially Germany. The situation in America is interesting. The oddest thing I heard is in Georgia I think. They’re going to open barbers, tattoo parlours and bowling alleys but some requirement to social distance. I am getting closer to Stirling’s view. Vulnerable stay in and others gradually go out. My guess is that if and when they have a vaccine it will take 6 months to roll out starting with the most vulnerable.
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Teddy Eagle  23 Apr 20 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Last night I kept hearing people on the tv talk about the possibility of a strict lockdown until we get a vaccine that might be Christmas, including the medical people on the vaccine debate on channel 4. I thought the hysteria had really happened. I then hear on Jeremy Vine on channel 5 that Matt Hancock talked about it yesterday. (Note that having a vaccine doesn’t mean everyone is instantly going to be given the vaccine. That could take longer again) This can’t be serious surely? 9 months of lockdown? I personally think we’re just going to copy Europe, especially Germany. The situation in America is interesting. The oddest thing I heard is in Georgia I think. They’re going to open barbers, tattoo parlours and bowling alleys but some requirement to social distance. I am getting closer to Stirling’s view. Vulnerable stay in and others gradually go out. One of the problems is that opinions differ so widely. In the past couple of days they’ve said the peak of infections is past, here now and hasn’t yet arrived. Christmas has been mentioned but that seems to be an economic rather than scientific choice; it’s conceivable there may be sporadic lockdowns if there are future spikes but pubs are expected to be last. Quite a few won’t reopen after that length of time. It’s hard to see how they can sustain the lockdown if most of the world has returned to some semblance of normality.
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| Midlands Eagle 23 Apr 20 10.15am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The economy will play a large part in the relaxing of lockdown rules as whilst it would be good for everyone's health if the lockdown continued for another year it just isn't commercially viable as far too many businesses would go bust starting with the airlines
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| Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 20 10.22am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The economy will play a large part in the relaxing of lockdown rules as whilst it would be good for everyone's health if the lockdown continued for another year it just isn't commercially viable as far too many businesses would go bust starting with the airlines The health aspect is tricky since figures are now appearing about the number of deaths related to the lockdown for things other than the virus. Supermarkets are also reporting increased sales of alcohol. Not to mention the mental health implications of making people stay in for months on end.
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