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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jun 19 3.56pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
That used to work when the press themselves were more representative of the people they are supposed to represent (and when the country was more homogeneous). Now the BBC, Sky, Channel 4, ITV news (all the major broadcasters) follow the same political ideals (otherwise you couldn't get a job in the first place) and follow the same script (even in fictional shows). i.e. Orange man bad (and racist, sexist, etc) [all the above in short form soundbite format] Now they are moving on to sexualizing children and promoting racism against white people (even on the BBC, so we are paying for it). What's next I wonder? In short the mainstream media operates for the left wing middle classes and minorities in the population. People who are still young enough are finding better alternatives online (typically long form and far more intelligent and diverse debate) and the mainstream media is in it's death throws. All you have done there is demonstrate your own political outlook and bias. If you read a really left wing site then you would find just as many criticisms which make the polar opposite points. Any commercial broadcaster is going to be mindful of their audience and generally not promote opinions that alienate them, so neither far right nor far left are going to feature too much. Except in the case of Murdoch owned outlets where a non to subtle lean to the right is obvious. That's especially true in newspapers. You could hardly describe the Sun as left leaning. Nor the Mail, the Express or the Telegraph. The BBC are different but still come in from as much fire from the left as the right. I think myself they have the balance about right. Your list of alleged "sins" gave me a laugh. Every one is just a distortion of reality as seen from a right wing viewpoint. Every one can be easily countered. For instance:- " Minorities cannot be criticised (that's racist) Of course minorities can be criticised. It all depends how, and what for. Any individual can be criticised. Any group of individuals can be criticised, if they promote policies together deserving of criticism. What must not be done is to criticise individuals just because they happen to be part of a minority group. Whether it is racist depends on the criticism. It's the attempt to associate all the innocent people with the guilty which is not acceptable. I agree that people are finding their "news" and information in different ways these days. This brings with it new challenges which have not yet been fully exposed and certainly not sufficiently scrutinised and regulated.
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Spiderman Horsham 11 Jun 19 8.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All you have done there is demonstrate your own political outlook and bias. If you read a really left wing site then you would find just as many criticisms which make the polar opposite points. Any commercial broadcaster is going to be mindful of their audience and generally not promote opinions that alienate them, so neither far right nor far left are going to feature too much. Except in the case of Murdoch owned outlets where a non to subtle lean to the right is obvious. That's especially true in newspapers. You could hardly describe the Sun as left leaning. Nor the Mail, the Express or the Telegraph. The BBC are different but still come in from as much fire from the left as the right. I think myself they have the balance about right. Your list of alleged "sins" gave me a laugh. Every one is just a distortion of reality as seen from a right wing viewpoint. Every one can be easily countered. For instance:- " Minorities cannot be criticised (that's racist) Of course minorities can be criticised. It all depends how, and what for. Any individual can be criticised. Any group of individuals can be criticised, if they promote policies together deserving of criticism. What must not be done is to criticise individuals just because they happen to be part of a minority group. Whether it is racist depends on the criticism. It's the attempt to associate all the innocent people with the guilty which is not acceptable. I agree that people are finding their "news" and information in different ways these days. This brings with it new challenges which have not yet been fully exposed and certainly not sufficiently scrutinised and regulated. Is that why they have recently been warned about their political bias. And before you say "that's the Express"... from the Guardian
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.TUX. 11 Jun 19 9.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All you have done there is demonstrate your own political outlook and bias. If you read a really left wing site then you would find just as many criticisms which make the polar opposite points. Any commercial broadcaster is going to be mindful of their audience and generally not promote opinions that alienate them, so neither far right nor far left are going to feature too much. Except in the case of Murdoch owned outlets where a non to subtle lean to the right is obvious. That's especially true in newspapers. You could hardly describe the Sun as left leaning. Nor the Mail, the Express or the Telegraph. The BBC are different but still come in from as much fire from the left as the right. I think myself they have the balance about right. Your list of alleged "sins" gave me a laugh. Every one is just a distortion of reality as seen from a right wing viewpoint. Every one can be easily countered. For instance:- " Minorities cannot be criticised (that's racist) Of course minorities can be criticised. It all depends how, and what for. Any individual can be criticised. Any group of individuals can be criticised, if they promote policies together deserving of criticism. What must not be done is to criticise individuals just because they happen to be part of a minority group. Whether it is racist depends on the criticism. It's the attempt to associate all the innocent people with the guilty which is not acceptable. I agree that people are finding their "news" and information in different ways these days. This brings with it new challenges which have not yet been fully exposed and certainly not sufficiently scrutinised and regulated. You can't be real.
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Rubin 11 Jun 19 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
That used to work when the press themselves were more representative of the people they are supposed to represent (and when the country was more homogeneous). Now the BBC, Sky, Channel 4, ITV news (all the major broadcasters) follow the same political ideals (otherwise you couldn't get a job in the first place) and follow the same script (even in fictional shows). i.e. Orange man bad (and racist, sexist, etc) [all the above in short form soundbite format] Now they are moving on to sexualizing children and promoting racism against white people (even on the BBC, so we are paying for it). What's next I wonder? In short the mainstream media operates for the left wing middle classes and minorities in the population. People who are still young enough are finding better alternatives online (typically long form and far more intelligent and diverse debate) and the mainstream media is in it's death throws. Good post. Spot on analysis.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jun 19 10.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Is that why they have recently been warned about their political bias. And before you say "that's the Express"... from the Guardian I read those reports! Did you? What both say is neither surprising nor any kind of indication that actual bias exists. What they confirm is that the perception of bias has increased which is obviously true but not the same at all. From the Express piece "The British broadcaster is still believed to be performing well “in many respects”." From the Guardian "The impartiality of the corporation’s news output has come under attack from all sides in recent years, especially following the Brexit referendum. It has been at the focus of discussions over whether the national broadcaster should be giving airtime to individuals who represent extreme views in the name of balance. Hall said that perceptions of the BBC’s impartiality had ‘“weakened in recent years”, adding: “We need to see what we can do to strengthen them.” That Ofcom should investigate complaints of bias is quite right and is only doing it's duty. That doesn't mean that bias actually exists, especially if the source of the complaints is itself biased in one direction or the other. Your own attitude is confirmation of a biased viewpoint. The BBC have a tricky path to find and then follow. I think they do pretty well.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jun 19 10.26pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
You can't be real. Of course I am. I see things as they really are and not from either a far left or far right viewpoint. That those on the extremes feel they don't get a fair hearing has been a complaint for a very long time. The difference is that the hard right are more energised and vocal at the moment. It doesn't mean they don't get the coverage they deserve. See my previous response to "Spiderman".
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jun 19 10.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course I am. I see things as they really are and not from either a far left or far right viewpoint. That those on the extremes feel they don't get a fair hearing has been a complaint for a very long time. The difference is that the hard right are more energised and vocal at the moment. It doesn't mean they don't get the coverage they deserve. See my previous response to "Spiderman". Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Keep taking the meds. If you don't see bias from all the major networks then you are the Stevie Wonder of the HOL.
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Teddy Eagle 11 Jun 19 10.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course I am. I see things as they really are and not from either a far left or far right viewpoint. That those on the extremes feel they don't get a fair hearing has been a complaint for a very long time. The difference is that the hard right are more energised and vocal at the moment. It doesn't mean they don't get the coverage they deserve. See my previous response to "Spiderman". Just out of interest who, among current politicians, fits your definition of “hard right”? Who are the equivalents to Corbyn and McDonnell in your opinion?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jun 19 11.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Just out of interest who, among current politicians, fits your definition of “hard right”? Who are the equivalents to Corbyn and McDonnell in your opinion? Most Tory MPs are not as hard to the right as some are on here, but there are enough. The Monday Club members fit the bill. Iain Duncan Smith, Peter Bone, Edward Leigh and Bill Cash come to mind as well known names but there are lots of others whose politics I don't much like. That these folk are popular with rank and file Tories is true. Those rank and file Tories are not though typical of the average voter and that's why choosing a PM from the right would be a disastrous long term mistake. No party can succeed with policies on either margin. They must hold the middle and lean slightly one way. You might think it's boring but it's a fact.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jun 19 11.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Keep taking the meds. If you don't see bias from all the major networks then you are the Stevie Wonder of the HOL. That you disagree just shows your own bias doesn't it? I think I prefer the professional judgement of experienced journalists to decide how and what gets presented than anyone posting here. Both of us included. They have carefully considered guidelines to follow. We don't.
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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 19 8.53am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That you disagree just shows your own bias doesn't it? I think I prefer the professional judgement of experienced journalists to decide how and what gets presented than anyone posting here. Both of us included. They have carefully considered guidelines to follow. We don't. It's quaint that you trust 'experienced journalists'.
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W12 12 Jun 19 9.18am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All you have done there is demonstrate your own political outlook and bias. If you read a really left wing site then you would find just as many criticisms which make the polar opposite points. Any commercial broadcaster is going to be mindful of their audience and generally not promote opinions that alienate them, so neither far right nor far left are going to feature too much. Except in the case of Murdoch owned outlets where a non to subtle lean to the right is obvious. That's especially true in newspapers. You could hardly describe the Sun as left leaning. Nor the Mail, the Express or the Telegraph. The BBC are different but still come in from as much fire from the left as the right. I think myself they have the balance about right. Your list of alleged "sins" gave me a laugh. Every one is just a distortion of reality as seen from a right wing viewpoint. Every one can be easily countered. For instance:- " Minorities cannot be criticised (that's racist) Of course minorities can be criticised. It all depends how, and what for. Any individual can be criticised. Any group of individuals can be criticised, if they promote policies together deserving of criticism. What must not be done is to criticise individuals just because they happen to be part of a minority group. Whether it is racist depends on the criticism. It's the attempt to associate all the innocent people with the guilty which is not acceptable. I agree that people are finding their "news" and information in different ways these days. This brings with it new challenges which have not yet been fully exposed and certainly not sufficiently scrutinised and regulated. All you have done there is demonstrate your own political outlook and bias
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