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orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 29 Jul 24 12.17pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Sorry for the late response and no personal insult intended.
I believe that if you work in the Public Sector that you should work in your office or other place of work, unless there are very good reasons not to.
Not all Civil Servants or Public Sector workers are lazy sods but many are and I have the misfortune to have to deal with some of them, so my views are probably tarnished.
Not being at their place of work, uncontactable except by email but because you can't call them, you often don't get an email response for days.
Generally - Public Sector life is easier than the private sector with a nice pension, more holidays than most and pay almost on a par now as well.
Forgive me if you don't agree but that is how I see it.
There are exceptions to every rule but I personally do not see the point in the proposed inflation busting pay rises, allowing WFH to be more commonplace and increasing the numbers of public sector workers, when, with efficiencies numbers could be reduced.


No offence taken. Sadly even if it was made compulsory to work in an office 5 days a week, it is impossible as the last government shut offices and sold premises off wholesale. Now there is simply not enough space available for full time office working.

The contact point is interesting and not unique to public service. It is impossible to contact many organisations on the phone these days as you either don't have an option or you get caught in the endless circle of the automated call?

I don't agree on pay, You cannot use basic pay as a comparator most public service workers may have seem basic pay gaps narrow but very few workers in the public service get any meaningful bonus payments. If the jobs were that great everyone would want one.

But hey good and bad in every organisation.

We need public services but for many years no government has been willing to invest in them

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 29 Jul 24 1.03pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Civil servants have no right to criticise the working habits of the private sector.

If you don't have access to the members bar at the Oval the drinks are so expensive you meed to be on expenses.

Edited by HKOwen (29 Jul 2024 1.04pm)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 29 Jul 24 1.09pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Back on topic, Reeves has zero credibility in feigning surprise at the financial state of things . She and Labour knew all the numbers well before the elections.

Now come the cuts for the unfunded extras like the junior doctors pay hike for which no provision was made in the " costed " manifesto.

One Labour minister claimed they had discovered 300 million of undeclared cost for the Rwanda scheme, that may well be but it's insignificant to a " 20bn black hole"

They're coming for your pensions and capital gains tax on mpre and more.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 29 Jul 24 2.10pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Back on topic, Reeves has zero credibility in feigning surprise at the financial state of things . She and Labour knew all the numbers well before the elections.

Now come the cuts for the unfunded extras like the junior doctors pay hike for which no provision was made in the " costed " manifesto.

One Labour minister claimed they had discovered 300 million of undeclared cost for the Rwanda scheme, that may well be but it's insignificant to a " 20bn black hole"

They're coming for your pensions and capital gains tax on mpre and more.


I assume you can demonstrate this by evidence as opposed to your usual level of dog whistle political statements

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Jul 24 2.35pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle


I assume you can demonstrate this by evidence as opposed to your usual level of dog whistle political statements

Orpie you may have jumped in a bit quick I’m afraid. I reckon that tax is a coming with it being the tories fault!

 

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The Dolphin Flag 29 Jul 24 3.05pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

The Junior Doctor's pay rises are mind boggling.
Someone said - might not be true - that they got between 11% and 32% back in 2017 and there have been other rises since.
The pension/NI contribution made by the taxpayer is 23.4% on top of that.
So - using an easy figure of £100k - an 11% rise this year and another 11% on top of that next year actually works out as 13.53% this year including the uplift and a15.36% uplift in a years time - plus back pay as well apparently.
So £100k now - without the uplift for pensions etc - will be £123,210 in 12 months time plus overtime etc.
I accept that £100k is near the top of pay but it gives an example.
The rest of the public sector are going to get just over 5% by the time this is over as well.
Two things - they will come back for more and threaten strikes in 2 years time and Rachel Reeves black hole is absolute rubbish - she just wants to spend our money without any fight or discussion.
If the OBR didn't point out the black hole then they should be sacked - but they did and they won't be.
She is a bare faced liar.

 

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orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 29 Jul 24 3.17pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Orpie you may have jumped in a bit quick I’m afraid. I reckon that tax is a coming with it being the tories fault!


Of course we will see a blame game. I suspect(but of course can not prove it that any deficit however big will be at least in part arise from what we have seen a lot in recent years, kick the can down the road and worry about it later.

 

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Runningman Flag Keston 29 Jul 24 4.05pm Send a Private Message to Runningman Add Runningman as a friend

Winter fuel allowance for pensioners cut. Unless in receipt of pensions credit.

Let’s hit the poorest to fund above inflation pay rises for public sector workers.

Talk about levelling up !

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jul 24 4.10pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Same old Labour.
A ridiculous pay rise for junior doctors and then a lot of codswallop about 22 billion black holes.


It's sad that we have to endure another 5 years of Labour tax and waste before another generation realises why Labour don't get to be a government very often.

 

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DANGERCLOSE Flag London 29 Jul 24 4.11pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Same old Labour.
A ridiculous pay rise for junior doctors and then a lot of codswallop about 22 billion black holes.


It's sad that we have to endure another 5 years of Labour tax and waste before another generation realises why Labour don't get to be a government very often.

Agreed

 

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The Dolphin Flag 29 Jul 24 4.17pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Runningman

Winter fuel allowance for pensioners cut. Unless in receipt of pensions credit.

Let’s hit the poorest to fund above inflation pay rises for public sector workers.

Talk about levelling up !

That one is really bad.
People on a basic pension will no longer receive winter help but the NHS and public sector will be having a field day and their gold plated pensions will rise.
Labour is about to get a short sharp shock - not that they need worry about it.
Feed the beast as in the public sector and Unions and all will be well.


 

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DANGERCLOSE Flag London 29 Jul 24 4.25pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by Runningman

Winter fuel allowance for pensioners cut. Unless in receipt of pensions credit.

Let’s hit the poorest to fund above inflation pay rises for public sector workers.

Talk about levelling up !

Labour are s***e

 

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