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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Feb 24 6.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The degree of unrealism that is being displayed by some of our fans makes me feel quite ashamed. We are enjoying our longest ever run in England’s top division, widely regarded as the best in the world. Compare that from where we used to be and we all should be immensely proud of our club and its management. We aren’t able to just buy ourselves out of trouble. When it hits, as it always will, it hurts. We have though managed to pull through in the past with the management, players and fans united and determined. We need to play our part and not expect the impossible. Roy was brought back to hold the line for another year. No one expected most of our key players to get injured in the way they have. No manager has the capacity to deal with that easily. We always knew a change would happen this coming summer. Getting on Roy’s and the player’s backs now is not going to help them at all. It will demoralise, demotivate and depress them. They need to be encouraged and supported. Just imagine if you were Steve and now searching for Roy’s replacement. How would they feel coming to a club with such toxic fans? Imagine Roy gets so affected by the mood he walks away and there is no replacement of anything approaching the same quality available. This is not how we are. Put away the banners and start supporting. Everyone knows the football is uninspiring but grinding out points when you have a restricted list of names available is what you do. Survival is the target. 100%
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CpfcWeTrust1 05 Feb 24 6.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The degree of unrealism that is being displayed by some of our fans makes me feel quite ashamed. We are enjoying our longest ever run in England’s top division, widely regarded as the best in the world. Compare that from where we used to be and we all should be immensely proud of our club and its management. We aren’t able to just buy ourselves out of trouble. When it hits, as it always will, it hurts. We have though managed to pull through in the past with the management, players and fans united and determined. We need to play our part and not expect the impossible. Roy was brought back to hold the line for another year. No one expected most of our key players to get injured in the way they have. No manager has the capacity to deal with that easily. We always knew a change would happen this coming summer. Getting on Roy’s and the player’s backs now is not going to help them at all. It will demoralise, demotivate and depress them. They need to be encouraged and supported. Just imagine if you were Steve and now searching for Roy’s replacement. How would they feel coming to a club with such toxic fans? Imagine Roy gets so affected by the mood he walks away and there is no replacement of anything approaching the same quality available. This is not how we are. Put away the banners and start supporting. Everyone knows the football is uninspiring but grinding out points when you have a restricted list of names available is what you do. Survival is the target. Again 100%
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Feb 24 6.19pm | |
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Originally posted by est1905
What is it that you would like him to do with the players at his disposal? Firstly, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. It's simply that we disagree. As to what would I like to Hodgson to do (if eh stays): I would like him: 1. to recognize that we are currently unable to be set up to avoid the opposition scoring. That is now 12 consecutive league games in which we have conceded, and in 10 of those games we conceded the first goal scored in the game. And yet, Hodgson still insists on setting us up not to lose. Roy's system worked ok in the first 11 league games - we achieved no fewer than 5 clean sheets but then we lost Doucoure. It should have been obvious fairly quickly thereafter that we didn't have a suitable replacement in our ranks and so a change of system and tactics was required. But not to Hodgson it didn't. Finally, the arrival of both Munoz and Wharton does seem to provide some hope as both are forward thinking players. I hope Hodgson will recognize that and include them from the start of upcoming games. In short, I want Hodgson to set us up to try and win games rather than trying to park the bus. I know we have limited resources but it's clear (to me, and it seems most others who've commented in recent times on this site) that Hodgson's system isn't working and that he doesn't seem to have a Plan B. Edited by doombear (05 Feb 2024 6.20pm)
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derekjeffries Hastings 05 Feb 24 6.21pm | |
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At last someone speaks some sense. I know the critics don't like to be told this but look at Charlton-their fans got ideas beyond their station when Curbishley was manager in the Premier, they are now not far off relegation to league 2. Be careful what you wish for. I say let's get behind the team and Roy or his replacement when there is one. . Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The degree of unrealism that is being displayed by some of our fans makes me feel quite ashamed. We are enjoying our longest ever run in England’s top division, widely regarded as the best in the world. Compare that from where we used to be and we all should be immensely proud of our club and its management. We aren’t able to just buy ourselves out of trouble. When it hits, as it always will, it hurts. We have though managed to pull through in the past with the management, players and fans united and determined. We need to play our part and not expect the impossible. Roy was brought back to hold the line for another year. No one expected most of our key players to get injured in the way they have. No manager has the capacity to deal with that easily. We always knew a change would happen this coming summer. Getting on Roy’s and the player’s backs now is not going to help them at all. It will demoralise, demotivate and depress them. They need to be encouraged and supported. Just imagine if you were Steve and now searching for Roy’s replacement. How would they feel coming to a club with such toxic fans? Imagine Roy gets so affected by the mood he walks away and there is no replacement of anything approaching the same quality available. This is not how we are. Put away the banners and start supporting. Everyone knows the football is uninspiring but grinding out points when you have a restricted list of names available is what you do. Survival is the target.
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samprior Hamburg 05 Feb 24 6.25pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Firstly, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. It's simply that we disagree. As to what would I like to Hodgson to do (if eh stays): I would like him: 1. to recognize that we are currently unable to be set up to avoid the opposition scoring. That is now 12 consecutive league games in which we have conceded, and in 10 of those games we conceded the first goal scored in the game. And yet, Hodgson still insists on setting us up not to lose. Roy's system worked ok in the first 11 league games - we achieved no fewer than 5 clean sheets but then we lost Doucoure. It should have been obvious fairly quickly thereafter that we didn't have a suitable replacement in our ranks and so a change of system and tactics was required. But not to Hodgson it didn't. Finally, the arrival of both Munoz and Wharton does seem to provide some hope as both are forward thinking players. I hope Hodgson will recognize that and include them from the start of upcoming games. In short, I want Hodgson to set us up to try and win games rather than trying to park the bus. I know we have limited resources but it's clear (to me, and it seems most others who've commented in recent times on this site) that Hodgson's system isn't working and that he doesn't seem to have a Plan B. Edited by doombear (05 Feb 2024 6.20pm) Well said.
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redshift Toronto 05 Feb 24 6.27pm | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I think the question is should he be getting more out of the players he does have at his disposal. There has been no improvement seen in most of the players, some of whom even look worse. Brighton were not littered with great players on Saturday but they had a shape, a structure and a clear way of playing. We weren't playing Arsenal or Man City. Most of their passes were no more than 10-15 feet meaning even an average player could achieve that. What was Hodgson's plan? I am struggling to work it out these days. We do seem to win a lot of free-kicks but there doesn't seem to be any plan as to what we're going to do with them. Same with the corners. Hodgson's plan of containing teams for 70 minutes and turning it into a 20 minute game is not working any more in most games. His tactic of packing out the centre is being exploited by teams targeting our wide areas. When Eze and Olise are out we don't have the pace to counter and he won't play the players that have it (Ahamada and Franca). On Saturday he had Colombia's first choice right-back, a player who was voted one of the best Danish players in 2023, a regular England centre-back, a former England left-back, an England goalkeeper, A US regular international, a Colombian international and Bournemouth's POTY last season, a player who led Ghana in the AFCON and in JPM a striker finally making the most of a chance in the team. On top of that he had one of the most promising young midfielders in England in Wharton. This is not a bunch of has beens, the team on Saturday was made up almost entirely of regular internationals. If they can't pass the ball, can't defend, can't attack and look clueless that is the manager. He looks out of touch with the modern game. Exactly this. To take one specific item: we haven't scored from a corner in the last 100 attempts. IIRC we have one goal from a free kick this season. Our defense of set pieces is dreadful. That alone is a coaching and managing failure. It makes one wonder what the team actually does at practice. As for fans' anger I'd just like to remind everyone that the opposite of love is not hate but apathy. Fans are angry because we care about the club. Still need to be level headed and keep behaviour acceptable but it is ok to be angry at the state we are in.
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PatrickA London 05 Feb 24 6.44pm | |
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I think this is unrealistic. I have never booed a manager or the team,but neither will I cheer them when they are failing to give their all. Originally posted by derekjeffries
At last someone speaks some sense. I know the critics don't like to be told this but look at Charlton-their fans got ideas beyond their station when Curbishley was manager in the Premier, they are now not far off relegation to league 2. Be careful what you wish for. I say let's get behind the team and Roy or his replacement when there is one. .
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Feb 24 6.49pm | |
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Originally posted by derekjeffries
At last someone speaks some sense. I know the critics don't like to be told this but look at Charlton-their fans got ideas beyond their station when Curbishley was manager in the Premier, they are now not far off relegation to league 2. Be careful what you wish for. I say let's get behind the team and Roy or his replacement when there is one. .
Unlike the Charlton fans, I'm not demanding that we go to the next level. That's not a possibility until, inter alia, we upgrade our ground and increase our revenue. My issue with Hodgson is that he seems to have lost it and I simply want someone in who will keep us in this league, something I think Hodgson is no longer equipped to do. The evidence?
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samprior Hamburg 05 Feb 24 6.55pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Unlike the Charlton fans, I'm not demanding that we go to the next level. That's not a possibility until, inter alia, we upgrade our ground and increase our revenue. My issue with Hodgson is that he seems to have lost it and I simply want someone in who will keep us in this league, something I think Hodgson is no longer equipped to do. The evidence? Once again well said. Agree with absolutely everything there. The fast it all seems so obvious makes it all the more frustrating.
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southnorwoodhill 05 Feb 24 6.59pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Firstly, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. It's simply that we disagree. As to what would I like to Hodgson to do (if eh stays): I would like him: 1. to recognize that we are currently unable to be set up to avoid the opposition scoring. That is now 12 consecutive league games in which we have conceded, and in 10 of those games we conceded the first goal scored in the game. And yet, Hodgson still insists on setting us up not to lose. Roy's system worked ok in the first 11 league games - we achieved no fewer than 5 clean sheets but then we lost Doucoure. It should have been obvious fairly quickly thereafter that we didn't have a suitable replacement in our ranks and so a change of system and tactics was required. But not to Hodgson it didn't. Finally, the arrival of both Munoz and Wharton does seem to provide some hope as both are forward thinking players. I hope Hodgson will recognize that and include them from the start of upcoming games. In short, I want Hodgson to set us up to try and win games rather than trying to park the bus. I know we have limited resources but it's clear (to me, and it seems most others who've commented in recent times on this site) that Hodgson's system isn't working and that he doesn't seem to have a Plan B. Edited by doombear (05 Feb 2024 6.20pm) An excellent post.
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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 05 Feb 24 6.59pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Unlike the Charlton fans, I'm not demanding that we go to the next level. That's not a possibility until, inter alia, we upgrade our ground and increase our revenue. My issue with Hodgson is that he seems to have lost it and I simply want someone in who will keep us in this league, something I think Hodgson is no longer equipped to do. The evidence? spot on.
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beak croydon 05 Feb 24 7.25pm | |
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One reason why the plug will not be pulled on Roy until after Chelsea is that if he was to go now it would give Brighton ammunition that THEY got rid of our Manager,not a clever thing to do me thinks.
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