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Matov 27 Jan 22 2.43pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
In 2017 Labour had not yet announced they would conspire with other parties to disenfranchise millions who voted for Brexit by Edited by HKOwen (27 Jan 2022 11.27am)
With Starmer now leading the Labour party, with Corbyn thrown out and refused re-entry (confirmed yesterday). These dots are not difficult to join up.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Jan 22 3.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Another claim made with no back up. It’s my opinion. One I believe is so obviously true as not to need backup. It’s self evident to everyone but the wilfully blind.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Jan 22 3.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
With Starmer now leading the Labour party, with Corbyn thrown out and refused re-entry (confirmed yesterday). These dots are not difficult to join up. As we ended up with the disaster that is Brexit because of Corbyn’s refusal to stand down, changing policy now not only is wise, it’s an imperative. It won’t help Labour though. They are too far gone now.
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Matov 27 Jan 22 3.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As we ended up with the disaster that is Brexit because of Corbyn’s refusal to stand down, changing policy now not only is wise, it’s an imperative. It won’t help Labour though. They are too far gone now.
Everybody says Labour are dead and buried but the polls don't show that at all and the anger against Johnson and co is real. That will take a long while to die down and come 2024, perhaps it might be all up for grabs. Starmer probably just needs to let Johnson hang himself rather than actively campaign on anything. Keep on battering the Lefties and start to make patriotic noises and he may well make number 10 yet. The only fly in the ointment might be if Corbyn decides to lead a grass-roots 'Socialist' party. Interesting to see Laura Pidock resign yesterday as well because prior to 2019 she was being touted as the new golden girl of the Left. Lets see. Personally, I would love Corbyn to come out fighting and set up a new party. Would make British politics all the more interesting.
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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Jan 22 4.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Everybody says Labour are dead and buried but the polls don't show that at all and the anger against Johnson and co is real. That will take a long while to die down and come 2024, perhaps it might be all up for grabs. Starmer probably just needs to let Johnson hang himself rather than actively campaign on anything. Keep on battering the Lefties and start to make patriotic noises and he may well make number 10 yet. The only fly in the ointment might be if Corbyn decides to lead a grass-roots 'Socialist' party. Interesting to see Laura Pidock resign yesterday as well because prior to 2019 she was being touted as the new golden girl of the Left. Lets see. Personally, I would love Corbyn to come out fighting and set up a new party. Would make British politics all the more interesting. Successful British labour PMs Wilson and Blair (I think 8 election victories) both accommodated the left. And Corbvn accommodated the right in his shadow cabinet. Including Starmer. He is being badly and unjustly treated.
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jan 22 4.10pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Successful British labour PMs Wilson and Blair (I think 8 election victories) both accommodated the left. And Corbvn accommodated the right in his shadow cabinet. Including Starmer. He is being badly and unjustly treated.
No he isn't. He surrendered his lifelong principles to seize power. So much for the integrity we heard about.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Jan 22 4.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No he isn't. He surrendered his lifelong principles to seize power. So much for the integrity we heard about. Look at the f*ckin government and Prime Minister we have instead, and you're talking about principles and integrity. Genuinely mind-blowing. You voted for a man who wrote in favour or both leave and remain, and then waited to see who won so he could claim agreement. He lacks integrity on a scale I have never seen in politics before, and that is saying something in itself. Disagree with Corbyn's politics by all means, but to claim some sort of high ground on integrity given everything that has happened in the last 24 months is like parody.
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BlueJay UK 27 Jan 22 5.14pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Look at the f*ckin government and Prime Minister we have instead, and you're talking about principles and integrity. Genuinely mind-blowing. You voted for a man who wrote in favour or both leave and remain, and then waited to see who won so he could claim agreement. He lacks integrity on a scale I have never seen in politics before, and that is saying something in itself. Disagree with Corbyn's politics by all means, but to claim some sort of high ground on integrity given everything that has happened in the last 24 months is like parody. Well said. People are literally still getting prosecuted for straying marginally outside of these stay at home orders and the like when they were in place. Something at the time many were all in favour of because people were 'breaking the law'. All of a sudden those actually putting these laws in place routinely breaking them is a 'nothing to see'. No wonder people want to go into politics when expectations are zero, and through fear of 'the other side' getting some will relentlessly bend over for their 'leader' come what may.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Jan 22 5.29pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Well said. People are literally still getting prosecuted for straying marginally outside of these stay at home orders and the like when they were in place. Something at the time many were all in favour of because people were 'breaking the law'. All of a sudden those actually putting these laws in place routinely breaking them is a 'nothing to see'. No wonder people want to go into politics when expectations are zero, and through fear of 'the other side' getting some will relentlessly bend over for their 'leader' come what may. Yep, I went through it with someone on here the other week - somehow the hypothetical Corbyn government is still people's biggest concern and definitely absolutely worse than the absolute s***show we've seen since. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (27 Jan 2022 5.30pm)
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Stirlingsays 27 Jan 22 5.38pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Now now you know this is a forum for opinions not a law court. Indeed. Just some make more sense than others.
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BlueJay UK 27 Jan 22 5.50pm | |
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I don't think it's all that sensible to be wedded to any political party really. Sure people have political preferences but if a party knows they've got your vote in the bag with no need to even earn it, don't expect your ticket to get you a ride . So many right now, both left and right, are politically disenfranchised right now and it's hardly difficult to see why with the options on offer.
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silvertop Portishead 27 Jan 22 6.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Everybody says Labour are dead and buried but the polls don't show that at all and the anger against Johnson and co is real. That will take a long while to die down and come 2024, perhaps it might be all up for grabs. Starmer probably just needs to let Johnson hang himself rather than actively campaign on anything. Keep on battering the Lefties and start to make patriotic noises and he may well make number 10 yet. The only fly in the ointment might be if Corbyn decides to lead a grass-roots 'Socialist' party. Interesting to see Laura Pidock resign yesterday as well because prior to 2019 she was being touted as the new golden girl of the Left. Lets see. Personally, I would love Corbyn to come out fighting and set up a new party. Would make British politics all the more interesting. Firstly why is starmer a snake- beyond all other politicians? And I disagree. Labour are only doing well as they are the anti tory. That only gets you so far
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