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 Beanyboysmd  10 Jun 22 1.33pm |
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Stop stereotyping us or we will get you with the Jewish space lazer that everyone on the right thinks we have...
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jun 22 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Stop stereotyping us or we will get you with the Jewish space lazer that everyone on the right thinks we have... The left don't stereotype the right of course....to be fair to me I did say 'modern left'. Nevertheless, I do think you have a point.....even if I have made this point before, which I have. The vast number of people who vote left won't support the activism being carried out in their name. Nevertheless, what I'm showing is people with power actually acting out that power and affecting lives. As someone who has someone contacting past employers over my political beliefs to try to stop me earning money (and they know I have two small children to support) and has had Police sent to my door to discuss 'what I support' (though I might add they were very nice coppers) I think I have just cause to point out the problems with a sub section of activist leftism that I show. People might complain about the dissident right and their ideas and that is their right to do. However, the dissident right hold no power and the amount of persecution and focus upon them is disproportionate to where power is held. They are not abusing power unlike what is shown in that clip. As for your Jewish space lazer, I've heard it before...it makes a 'OY Vey' sound as you press the trigger. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2022 2.36pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 10 Jun 22 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The left don't stereotype the right of course....to be fair to me I did say 'modern left'. Nevertheless, I do think you have a point.....even if I have made this point before, which I have. The vast number of people who vote left won't support the activism being carried out in their name. Nevertheless, what I'm showing is people with power actually acting out that power and affecting lives. As someone who has someone contacting past employers over my political beliefs to try to stop me earning money (and they know I have two small children to support) and has had Police sent to my door to discuss 'what I support' (though I might add they were very nice coppers). Nevertheless I think I have just cause to point out the problems with a sub section of activist leftism that I show. People might complain about the dissident right and their ideas and that is their right to do some. However, the dissident right hold no power and the amount of persecution and focus upon them is disproportionate to where power is held. They are not abusing power unlike what is shown in that clip. As for your Jewish space lazer, I've heard it before...it makes a 'OY Vey' sound as you press the trigger. I use to work with an Israeli software house (nice people) however their programs were full of bugs. I use to joke I hope you didn't write the code for your nuclear program.
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BlueJay  UK 10 Jun 22 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Stop stereotyping us or we will get you with the Jewish space lazer that everyone on the right thinks we have... And you'll send in a few lizard people (including the Queen herself) for good measure.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jun 22 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I note that Lisa Nandy was interviewed this morning and failed to come out and condemn the rail strikes - she actually said that she supported the rail workers - oh - and the public as well in an afterthought!. They should start naming opposition parties as the opportunist parties because that's basically what it is. Personally, I'm happy to see rail workers paid well, though I take your point about nurses. However, unions historically don't really have a good name now...they should be far less political than they are, but as we know all the political activists tend to be the types attracted to unionism and it becomes more about politics than worker representation......I was shocked with what the teacher unions were doing once I went into teaching....just seemed a structure for political activism.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 10 Jun 22 2.49pm |
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a society dominated by Lefties is like the bad parts of Sweden or the worst ghetto in England. Family breakdown, illegitimacy, anti-social behaviour, and academic failure & petty crime.
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| BlueJay UK 10 Jun 22 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I note that Lisa Nandy was interviewed this morning and failed to come out and condemn the rail strikes - she actually said that she supported the rail workers - oh - and the public as well in an afterthought!. It truly is mind boggling how much some rail workers earn and in my experience they're hardly slaving away either. That said, legitimately well run unions were the last trump card they worker had at one point. Now they're often overpoliticised and have lost their way, but it's a shame that and the demonisation of them happened as clearly nowadays very few in either the private or public sector catch many breaks or have anyone fighting their corner.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 10 Jun 22 3.22pm |
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The government should call the rail unions bluff. How often do we hear the words "We don't want to strike it's all the fault of the management, our workers are losing money as well". It's time to ban strikes for key public workers and replace it with compulsory and legally binding independent arbitration like ACAS. If the unions are correct they will win their case and management will look pretty stupid.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jun 22 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The government should call the rail unions bluff. How often do we hear the words "We don't want to strike it's all the fault of the management, our workers are losing money as well". It's time to ban strikes for key public workers and replace it with compulsory and legally binding independent arbitration like ACAS. If the unions are correct they will win their case and management will look pretty stupid. I agree with you on the public duty aspect of essential workers. I'm not sure about the banning of strikes.....should the state be given that kind of power? It feels like something you'd only use as a very last resort under war conditions. I am skeptical when it comes to 'independent arbitration' because of course who decides who sits on that board? Who decides what 'independent' is...who decides and how 'independent are they really....For example, I don't personally think that those who sit on the board deciding upon Politician's pay are all that independent.....then there is the lobbying and corruption issue. Personally I think the answer lies more within correcting the politicisation of the unions. If the union are politically neutral and contained reasonable people focused what that job should actually be then more people are far more likely to listen to them when they raise concerns.....maybe they have them here, I don't know. But didn't Thatcher try to do that? Not sure, there's been plenty of water under the bridge since then. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2022 3.42pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jun 22 3.50pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
It truly is mind boggling how much some rail workers earn and in my experience they're hardly slaving away either. That said, legitimately well run unions were the last trump card they worker had at one point. Now they're often overpoliticised and have lost their way, but it's a shame that and the demonisation of them happened as clearly nowadays very few in either the private or public sector catch many breaks or have anyone fighting their corner. These two points are obviously linked though - the reason their employment terms are so favourable is they still have some form of leverage to negotiate with industry. From what I've read, RMT are asking for a pay rise in line with inflation and striking against compulsory redundancies - hardly anything mind-boggling. This country has had the second worst wage growth in Europe for 14 years now (second only to Greece). When adjusted for inflation, median wages have less purchasing power now than they did in 2008.
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| The Dolphin 10 Jun 22 3.52pm |
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I think it is a disgrace especially when you add in what is going on when they strike. When and where is the strike? On 21 June, up to 50,000 workers across Network Rail, 13 train operators and London Underground are due to walk out. On 23 and 25 June, about 40,000 rail operators – but not London Underground staff – will strike. The disruption will be exacerbated by the decision of signallers to join the action, as it is difficult to find any cover this role. The industrial action is expected to cause widescale disruption, as up to 80 per cent of passenger services could be cancelled. Which railways will be affected? Avanti West Coast Summer solstice celebrations are taking place at Stonehenge, with visitors travelling from around the world to Wiltshire to mark the event. In cricket, on 23 June, the England v New Zealand test match will take place at Headingley in Leeds. Between 24 and 26 June, the British Athletics Championships are on at Manchester Regional Arena In London, Sir Elton John is due to perform on 24 June in Hyde Park, with the Rolling Stones the day after. And the London Symphony Orchestra are set to play the Triomphale concert at St Paul’s Cathedral on 23 June. Schoolchildren will also be sitting their exams and GCSEs when the strike action is taking place. Will freight trains be impacted? John Smith, CEO of GB Railfreight, told i: “The strikes won’t just affect passenger services, they will have a major impact on the UK’s rail freight network too. “As a major artery for UK supply chains, consumers and businesses will find it harder to buy or move goods if we cannot operate. “In a worst case scenario, we could see some disruption to the delivery of critical goods and materials as well, such as energy sources supplied to UK power plants on our trains.” He called for Government intervention, saying: “Ministers must prioritise freight during these strikes to ensure the impact on supply chains across the UK, and the wider economy, are limited as much as possible.”
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| The Dolphin 10 Jun 22 3.56pm |
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If it were possible to do I would sack each and everyone of them on the spot and maybe then they would realise that they aren't too badly off after all.
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