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hedgehog50 Croydon 23 Aug 17 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yep, the white supremacists would have been overjoyed seeing and hearing an Asian Robert Lee wouldn't they. Stupid decision that only exacerbate s things. Edited by nickgusset (23 Aug 2017 1.47pm) Surely, in this day and age, it should be unlawful to have the name 'Robert Lee'?
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 17 2.11pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Surely, in this day and age, it should be unlawful to have the name 'Robert Lee'? I'm surprised it's still lawful to be White.
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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 23 Aug 17 2.41pm | |
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Heard (only part/briefly)on radio London this morning a discussion as to whether we should remove statue and asking listeners to nominate. Edited by rob1969 (23 Aug 2017 2.42pm)
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Ray in Houston Houston 23 Aug 17 2.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, different symbols mean different things to different people. In many people's eyes that flag also represents the independence of the south. Before the rise of minority identity politics you had it displayed a lot....Dukes of Hazard was on the BBC for example. It also represents a union that implemented slavery and fought to continue it. Still, if you are in the south and want to take pride in the being from there.....then there are a lack of historical symbols to take up.
Imagine if Brian Hitler wanted to wander up and down Croydon High Street with a swastika flag as it's the only way he feels he can honour his family's heritage. There are plenty of ways to show southern pride that don't require going back to the time when people fought other people for the right to own, buy and sell (and torture, rape and kill) other people. Eating directly from a tub of lard, for example. Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 2.46pm)
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Stirlingsays 23 Aug 17 3.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Imagine if Brian Hitler wanted to wander up and down Croydon High Street with a swastika flag as it's the only way he feels he can honour his family's heritage. There are plenty of ways to show southern pride that don't require going back to the time when people fought other people for the right to own, buy and sell (and torture, rape and kill) other people. Eating directly from a tub of lard, for example. Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 2.46pm) I think what you are saying here is true for some people but it isn't true for others. Was Elvis a racist for singing American trilogy. How about his backing singers they sung on it too.....Who gets to tell others what their motivation is.....I think it should require careful observation rather than blanket statements. Sure some wave that flag and lie about the reasons and some don't.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Aug 17 3.17pm | |
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Pro USA & Israel |
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 17 3.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Imagine if Brian Hitler wanted to wander up and down Croydon High Street with a swastika flag as it's the only way he feels he can honour his family's heritage. There are plenty of ways to show southern pride that don't require going back to the time when people fought other people for the right to own, buy and sell (and torture, rape and kill) other people. Eating directly from a tub of lard, for example. Edited by Ray in Houston (23 Aug 2017 2.46pm) That is outrageous racist language. The question of how much these status celebrate slavery, racism etc is almost beside the point.
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Ray in Houston Houston 23 Aug 17 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is outrageous racist language. The question of how much these status celebrate slavery, racism etc is almost beside the point.
Claiming that it's destroying the south's heritage, when to anyone of colour - i.e. the majority of residents of Charlottesville - it represents some of the darkest behaviours demonstrable by the human race is to be so callous as to make it impossible to believe that it's being done with anything other than malice. I agree that simply disposing of such things (or smashing them with a hammer) is not the right answer. We need reminders of such horrors which is why much of Auschwitz is preserved and holocaust museums exist in many cities around the world. But leaving them in a place of honour and prominence is not necessary in order to preserve the history. And note I said "history", not "heritage", because those two words are not interchangeable in this case. In fact, given its definition, "heritage" actually becomes quite sinister.
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Stirlingsays 23 Aug 17 3.47pm | |
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This word, 'colour' being used to describe non white people is a bit weird. White people are coloured too. I'm not getting at Ray for using it but making a wider point because it's something I'm noticing more and more. Technically black or white aren't actually colours but in reality it's extremely unlikely that a white or black person has ever been born that would fit the description. So we are all coloured. Non caucasian is probably better. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2017 3.51pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 17 3.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This word, 'colour' being used to describe non white people is a bit weird. White people are coloured too. I'm not getting at Ray for using it but making a wider point because it's something I'm noticing more and more. Technically black or white aren't actually colours but in reality it's extremely unlikely that a white or black person has ever been born that would fit the description. So we are all coloured. Non caucasian is probably better. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2017 3.51pm) Divided by a common language Stirling. In the US 'people of color' is supposed to be a nice way to say things. In the UK 'coloured' is considered more of a no-no and may indicate mixed race. Pinky yellow, is a colour. Black isn't it's a shade, as you say. I admit to being pinky yellow. I work in a basement.
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Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 17 3.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Claiming that it's destroying the south's heritage, when to anyone of colour - i.e. the majority of residents of Charlottesville - it represents some of the darkest behaviours demonstrable by the human race is to be so callous as to make it impossible to believe that it's being done with anything other than malice. I agree that simply disposing of such things (or smashing them with a hammer) is not the right answer. We need reminders of such horrors which is why much of Auschwitz is preserved and holocaust museums exist in many cities around the world. But leaving them in a place of honour and prominence is not necessary in order to preserve the history. And note I said "history", not "heritage", because those two words are not interchangeable in this case. In fact, given its definition, "heritage" actually becomes quite sinister. I like your posts Ray.
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 17 4.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Claiming that it's destroying the south's heritage, when to anyone of colour - i.e. the majority of residents of Charlottesville - it represents some of the darkest behaviours demonstrable by the human race is to be so callous as to make it impossible to believe that it's being done with anything other than malice. I agree that simply disposing of such things (or smashing them with a hammer) is not the right answer. We need reminders of such horrors which is why much of Auschwitz is preserved and holocaust museums exist in many cities around the world. But leaving them in a place of honour and prominence is not necessary in order to preserve the history. And note I said "history", not "heritage", because those two words are not interchangeable in this case. In fact, given its definition, "heritage" actually becomes quite sinister. I think you will find that removed is the correct phrase since it was presumably originally moved there from the sculptor's residence.
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