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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 20 Apr 17 4.49pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. It shows that Labour spent money we did not have in order to fund an ever increasing demand for health care.

That cannot be a long term solution and you know it.

Given I have some understanding of Economics I actually don't know that. The fundamental misunderstanding you make is that a government like that of the UK can spend money "we don't have". We're not Greece, nor could we become them. We have as much money as we want as we control our own monetary policy.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 20 Apr 17 4.51pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Hasn't government spending increased, along with the deficit under the Coalition and Conservative governments though, which is arguably spending money they don't have, to fund a country: all despite austerity

That's incorrect. It's gone down quite a lot.

Also see my previous point regarding "money we don't have".

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 Apr 17 4.56pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Like grammar schools you mean.

Not quite, as grammar schools intake were based on academic success, not potential. In order to truly take advantage of the prospects of grammar schools you need to ensure that everyone has access to a suitable education to qualify and deal with the issues that plague inner city schools.

You actually have to engage with the issues within poor and impoverished areas, that impact childrens education - Including school programs in low attainment schools aimed at getting 'the best out of the average' as well.

The problem of grammar schools was the high funding of the grammar schools and the relative abandoning of the comprehensives / secondary modern. Both have to have a very active focus and means of achievement of opportunity.

The average kids need skills, jobs and life chances too.

Its not just about excellence, it has to be about producing functional adults out of broken areas.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 Apr 17 4.59pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

That's incorrect. It's gone down quite a lot.

Also see my previous point regarding "money we don't have".

I don't understand economics - so I'm going on reports and stories about the deficit increasing, even if spending is down.

I quite agree however, that if the public want an well funded health service, then they also have to pay for it with tax and national insurance.

I just happen to believe that things like Education and the Health Service, represent a very reasonable return of tax to the public and should be the priority.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Apr 17 5.01pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Yes, just go around parts of the north-east and see for yourself.

A bit selective isn't it?

There is an issue with the demise from coal mining and other industry but times change. People have to adapt. Either themselves or their children.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 20 Apr 17 5.06pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A bit selective isn't it?

There is an issue with the demise from coal mining and other industry but times change. People have to adapt. Either themselves or their children.

And recycle my point about lack of provision of any help from the state in the form of training/education/investment.

 

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Nest Flag 20 Apr 17 5.07pm Send a Private Message to Nest Add Nest as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A bit selective isn't it?

There is an issue with the demise from coal mining and other industry but times change. People have to adapt. Either themselves or their children.

Adapting without opportunity

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 20 Apr 17 5.08pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't understand economics - so I'm going on reports and stories about the deficit increasing, even if spending is down.

I quite agree however, that if the public want an well funded health service, then they also have to pay for it with tax and national insurance.

I just happen to believe that things like Education and the Health Service, represent a very reasonable return of tax to the public and should be the priority.

Spending is only one half of the deficit. Government revenue is the other - which has suffered from tax cuts and stagnating and often reduced wages of lower and middle earners who pay most of the total tax.

The government could also use QE to invest in education and health... But they don't.

 

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davenotamonkey Flag 20 Apr 17 5.09pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Jezza is saying he is the 'anti establishment' candidate:

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Glad to see that he is apeing Donald Trump and UKIP by doing this.

So "anti-establishment" he's parachuting his son into a safe Labour seat. Lol.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Apr 17 5.09pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I do think the regions should be devolved and have meaningful powers.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 20 Apr 17 5.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Given I have some understanding of Economics I actually don't know that. The fundamental misunderstanding you make is that a government like that of the UK can spend money "we don't have". We're not Greece, nor could we become them. We have as much money as we want as we control our own monetary policy.

So what is the deficit?

More importantly, it is not realistic to throw money at an ever increasing problem involving a highly inefficient organisation.
The use of temporary emergency staff for example must be addressed.
You can argue about what percentage of GDP we can spend but ultimately tax or NI would have to rise. That would be acceptable if demand for health care did not continually increase. With current rates of population increase and life expectancy that is not happening any time in the coming century.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 20 Apr 17 5.23pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So what is the deficit?

More importantly, it is not realistic to throw money at an ever increasing problem involving a highly inefficient organisation.
The use of temporary emergency staff for example must be addressed.
You can argue about what percentage of GDP we can spend but ultimately tax or NI would have to rise. That would be acceptable if demand for health care did not continually increase. With current rates of population increase and life expectancy that is not happening any time in the coming century.

Deficit only relates to fiscal policy. Governments have more than one macroeconomic tool available!

 

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