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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 17 Nov 15 12.43pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Nov 2015 10.35am

RIVERS OF BLOOD.......... Enoch Powell..... April 1968.

He was laughed at, shouted down even... and here we are nearly 50 years later talking about the very things he predicted happening in Paris.

Jimenez was correct at the beginning of this thread... we are at war........ with Islam Kermit.

Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!

Islam calls itself the religion of peace, but the holy Koran directs it's followers to kill all infidels (unbelievers)... but we hear so often that most followers don't take this as a literal instruction. Why have it in there then? How many other religions have such a clear message in it's scriptures to direct people to kill? The Holy Bible says "Thou Shalt Not Kill"... I'm not clued up on all religions though, but I doubt any others encourage bloodshed?

Why do we tolerate the way Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens, forcing them to dress in Burkhas. denying them education and just being servants to the males? Female Genital Mutilation FFS!

Why are they living here in a culture that is alien to their preachings... no alcohol, gay and lesbians, non halal meat eaters?

These people that carried out tonight's atrocities were highly trained and part of a network that has been helped by the Paris/French Muslim community. They could not have carried out this level of terrorism without the so called moderates being aware of what was going down. Of course now we will hear from the Muslim Council of Great Britain (and/or their French counterparts)decrying the act and how it offends Muslims and their faith.

We are at war and we need to adopt the same mindset of Churchill during WWII and start interning again those Muslims preaching hate rather than releasing them because Liberal namby pambys think it's a crime to do so. We also need to sort out ISIS (or whatever they call themselves) killing and destroying people and historical religious property in Syria and everywhere else they operate around the globe. Shut down their websites glorifying their deeds and attempts to radicalise and recruit young minds.

Do we want blood on our streets?

Luckily we were not as stupid as the rest of Europe and have tightened our border controls and beefed up our security and intelligence capabilities.... even though the Liberal minded regard this an "affront to their civil liberties" !

I think this will see a rise in UKIP's popularity again as well as many turning to BNP/EDL type political parties as they sense the likes of Corbyn and Labour will not even be dismayed by this outrage and blame ourselves, whilst Cameron speaks rhetoric about reprisals but not have the balls to actually do anything.

I think Islam is like a wasp infestation - we are currently dealing with the problem by killing a few stray wasps with a rolled up newspaper. However we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!

Or.... we can do nothing and slowly allow our population to be engulfed by Muslims and surrender to Sharia Law.

It's our choice.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (14 Nov 2015 10.37am)

Post of the year. Well said Hoof and in full agreement. I am off to watch the England v France game tonight and have to admit at being a bit worried at the threat of something happening. Then i get angry that i have to feel that way in my own country. Schools have cancelled trips to Museums in London because of the threat. Why should we live this way. It is clear that ISIS needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth. They are increasing in numbers day by day and their net is spreading wider and wider. The action taken against them so far has had little if any impact. A joint and huge campaign to take them out needs to happen and fast.

Can I just add my support for Hoofs post. Nail on head just doesnt do it justice.

It's gods job to forgive ISIS terrorists, hopefully I can facilitate some of those meetings.

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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But I'll end this post with one final remark. The rules on this forum state that any racist ethnically objectionable material will be punished. It is my belief that racism, and indeed all forms of prejudice, stem from ignorance, and what I hope I have proved is that from the almost exclusive ignorance of Hoof's post, conclusions have been reached which at best are ethnically objectionable (Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!) and at worst advocating genocide (we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!). I'd like to see the mods adhere to the rules of their own forum and warn Hoof that such views aren't welcome on here, yet particularly considering one mod has actively supported his beliefs, I'd be surprised if any of them had the guts to do so.


I didn't bother to read Serial's posts on this topic, but I thank the fellow Hol'er that sent me this extract of his post by PM.

My reaction......... how childish and pathetic.... trying to get me banned because of my hard line views that oppose his liberal views and calling me racist AGAIN.

Not content with that.... comparing my use of an analogy to that of the Nazi propaganda spokesman Goebbels speech on the final solution!

Serial.... you and others on here need to stop playing the racist card and revert to trying to convince us your arguments are superior rather than underhand tactics to try and stifle our views.


I don't understand your last paragraph. You openly admit you don't read his posts and then you address him. Hardly respectful.

Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else even though you seem to think it is.

I avoided this thread all weekend because emotions were high. I'm not surprised to see the chest beating bravado of the usual suspects, those of, shall we say, an older generation with ingrained prejudices.

Hol clusterf*ck thread at it's finest.

Completely agree and avoided this thread. I take a deep breath and just remind myself it's a football supporters site.

Saw a poster say he knew nothing about Islam and then the very next sentence proceeded to spout some crap he probably heard about from a less than reputable source and then called for Muslims to he interned.


That's it, get people on your side with charm. Nice tactic.
Careful. Those noisy right wing types might be the only thing between you and ISIL one day.

But more likely, when the terrorists are on our streets, the liberal types will turn turkey and denounce their principles to save their own arses.

Amazing how an automatic weapon in the ear can change people's minds.


What evidence do you base this on or is it just your gut feeling.

Life experience. It's easy to be magnanimous when you are not directly affected.

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 17 Nov 15 1.13pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists .

Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 17 Nov 15 1.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 17 Nov 2015 12.50pm

Quote Oliver at 17 Nov 2015 5.39am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 16 Nov 2015 10.45pm

Quote Oliver at 16 Nov 2015 7.14pm

Quote Southampton_Eagle at 16 Nov 2015 11.25am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Nov 2015 10.38am

Quote serial thriller at 14 Nov 2015 2.30pm

But I'll end this post with one final remark. The rules on this forum state that any racist ethnically objectionable material will be punished. It is my belief that racism, and indeed all forms of prejudice, stem from ignorance, and what I hope I have proved is that from the almost exclusive ignorance of Hoof's post, conclusions have been reached which at best are ethnically objectionable (Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!) and at worst advocating genocide (we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!). I'd like to see the mods adhere to the rules of their own forum and warn Hoof that such views aren't welcome on here, yet particularly considering one mod has actively supported his beliefs, I'd be surprised if any of them had the guts to do so.


I didn't bother to read Serial's posts on this topic, but I thank the fellow Hol'er that sent me this extract of his post by PM.

My reaction......... how childish and pathetic.... trying to get me banned because of my hard line views that oppose his liberal views and calling me racist AGAIN.

Not content with that.... comparing my use of an analogy to that of the Nazi propaganda spokesman Goebbels speech on the final solution!

Serial.... you and others on here need to stop playing the racist card and revert to trying to convince us your arguments are superior rather than underhand tactics to try and stifle our views.


I don't understand your last paragraph. You openly admit you don't read his posts and then you address him. Hardly respectful.

Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else even though you seem to think it is.

I avoided this thread all weekend because emotions were high. I'm not surprised to see the chest beating bravado of the usual suspects, those of, shall we say, an older generation with ingrained prejudices.

Hol clusterf*ck thread at it's finest.

Completely agree and avoided this thread. I take a deep breath and just remind myself it's a football supporters site.

Saw a poster say he knew nothing about Islam and then the very next sentence proceeded to spout some crap he probably heard about from a less than reputable source and then called for Muslims to he interned.


That's it, get people on your side with charm. Nice tactic.
Careful. Those noisy right wing types might be the only thing between you and ISIL one day.

But more likely, when the terrorists are on our streets, the liberal types will turn turkey and denounce their principles to save their own arses.

Amazing how an automatic weapon in the ear can change people's minds.


What evidence do you base this on or is it just your gut feeling.

Life experience. It's easy to be magnanimous when you are not directly affected.


Why don't you go off and do this rather than troll, the internet then?

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Nov 15 1.49pm

Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 1.13pm

So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists .

Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.


Tell that to the family of that South American who was chased into the tube station and shot...

I actually think Corbyn has been naive although I understand his sentiment.

 

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Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 12.43pm

Quote bubble wrap at 17 Nov 2015 12.26pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Nov 2015 10.35am

RIVERS OF BLOOD.......... Enoch Powell..... April 1968.

He was laughed at, shouted down even... and here we are nearly 50 years later talking about the very things he predicted happening in Paris.

Jimenez was correct at the beginning of this thread... we are at war........ with Islam Kermit.

Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!

Islam calls itself the religion of peace, but the holy Koran directs it's followers to kill all infidels (unbelievers)... but we hear so often that most followers don't take this as a literal instruction. Why have it in there then? How many other religions have such a clear message in it's scriptures to direct people to kill? The Holy Bible says "Thou Shalt Not Kill"... I'm not clued up on all religions though, but I doubt any others encourage bloodshed?

Why do we tolerate the way Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens, forcing them to dress in Burkhas. denying them education and just being servants to the males? Female Genital Mutilation FFS!

Why are they living here in a culture that is alien to their preachings... no alcohol, gay and lesbians, non halal meat eaters?

These people that carried out tonight's atrocities were highly trained and part of a network that has been helped by the Paris/French Muslim community. They could not have carried out this level of terrorism without the so called moderates being aware of what was going down. Of course now we will hear from the Muslim Council of Great Britain (and/or their French counterparts)decrying the act and how it offends Muslims and their faith.

We are at war and we need to adopt the same mindset of Churchill during WWII and start interning again those Muslims preaching hate rather than releasing them because Liberal namby pambys think it's a crime to do so. We also need to sort out ISIS (or whatever they call themselves) killing and destroying people and historical religious property in Syria and everywhere else they operate around the globe. Shut down their websites glorifying their deeds and attempts to radicalise and recruit young minds.

Do we want blood on our streets?

Luckily we were not as stupid as the rest of Europe and have tightened our border controls and beefed up our security and intelligence capabilities.... even though the Liberal minded regard this an "affront to their civil liberties" !

I think this will see a rise in UKIP's popularity again as well as many turning to BNP/EDL type political parties as they sense the likes of Corbyn and Labour will not even be dismayed by this outrage and blame ourselves, whilst Cameron speaks rhetoric about reprisals but not have the balls to actually do anything.

I think Islam is like a wasp infestation - we are currently dealing with the problem by killing a few stray wasps with a rolled up newspaper. However we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!

Or.... we can do nothing and slowly allow our population to be engulfed by Muslims and surrender to Sharia Law.

It's our choice.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (14 Nov 2015 10.37am)

Post of the year. Well said Hoof and in full agreement. I am off to watch the England v France game tonight and have to admit at being a bit worried at the threat of something happening. Then i get angry that i have to feel that way in my own country. Schools have cancelled trips to Museums in London because of the threat. Why should we live this way. It is clear that ISIS needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth. They are increasing in numbers day by day and their net is spreading wider and wider. The action taken against them so far has had little if any impact. A joint and huge campaign to take them out needs to happen and fast.

Can I just add my support for Hoofs post. Nail on head just doesnt do it justice.

It's gods job to forgive ISIS terrorists, hopefully I can facilitate some of those meetings.


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Quote nickgusset at 17 Nov 2015 1.49pm

Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 1.13pm

So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists .

Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.


Tell that to the family of that South American who was chased into the tube station and shot...

I actually think Corbyn has been naive although I understand his sentiment.

That's a different argument. But then you probably know that

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 17 Nov 15 2.01pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 17 Nov 2015 1.51pm

Quote nickgusset at 17 Nov 2015 1.49pm

Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 1.13pm

So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists .

Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.


Tell that to the family of that South American who was chased into the tube station and shot...

I actually think Corbyn has been naive although I understand his sentiment.

That's a different argument. But then you probably know that


It all connected including defending the innocent, or say the methods used by the likes of Putin more acceptable than those of the West?

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Quote nickgusset at 17 Nov 2015 1.49pm

Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 1.13pm

So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists .

Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.


Tell that to the family of that South American who was chased into the tube station and shot...

I actually think Corbyn has been naive although I understand his sentiment.

If one life gets lost as tragic as it is in an attempt to save many others then so be it. Would you wait to see if the terrorist is going to detonate himself? If in doubt take him out.

 

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Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 12.43pm

Quote bubble wrap at 17 Nov 2015 12.26pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 14 Nov 2015 10.35am

RIVERS OF BLOOD.......... Enoch Powell..... April 1968.

He was laughed at, shouted down even... and here we are nearly 50 years later talking about the very things he predicted happening in Paris.

Jimenez was correct at the beginning of this thread... we are at war........ with Islam Kermit.

Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!

Islam calls itself the religion of peace, but the holy Koran directs it's followers to kill all infidels (unbelievers)... but we hear so often that most followers don't take this as a literal instruction. Why have it in there then? How many other religions have such a clear message in it's scriptures to direct people to kill? The Holy Bible says "Thou Shalt Not Kill"... I'm not clued up on all religions though, but I doubt any others encourage bloodshed?

Why do we tolerate the way Islam treats women as 2nd class citizens, forcing them to dress in Burkhas. denying them education and just being servants to the males? Female Genital Mutilation FFS!

Why are they living here in a culture that is alien to their preachings... no alcohol, gay and lesbians, non halal meat eaters?

These people that carried out tonight's atrocities were highly trained and part of a network that has been helped by the Paris/French Muslim community. They could not have carried out this level of terrorism without the so called moderates being aware of what was going down. Of course now we will hear from the Muslim Council of Great Britain (and/or their French counterparts)decrying the act and how it offends Muslims and their faith.

We are at war and we need to adopt the same mindset of Churchill during WWII and start interning again those Muslims preaching hate rather than releasing them because Liberal namby pambys think it's a crime to do so. We also need to sort out ISIS (or whatever they call themselves) killing and destroying people and historical religious property in Syria and everywhere else they operate around the globe. Shut down their websites glorifying their deeds and attempts to radicalise and recruit young minds.

Do we want blood on our streets?

Luckily we were not as stupid as the rest of Europe and have tightened our border controls and beefed up our security and intelligence capabilities.... even though the Liberal minded regard this an "affront to their civil liberties" !

I think this will see a rise in UKIP's popularity again as well as many turning to BNP/EDL type political parties as they sense the likes of Corbyn and Labour will not even be dismayed by this outrage and blame ourselves, whilst Cameron speaks rhetoric about reprisals but not have the balls to actually do anything.

I think Islam is like a wasp infestation - we are currently dealing with the problem by killing a few stray wasps with a rolled up newspaper. However we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!

Or.... we can do nothing and slowly allow our population to be engulfed by Muslims and surrender to Sharia Law.

It's our choice.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (14 Nov 2015 10.37am)

Post of the year. Well said Hoof and in full agreement. I am off to watch the England v France game tonight and have to admit at being a bit worried at the threat of something happening. Then i get angry that i have to feel that way in my own country. Schools have cancelled trips to Museums in London because of the threat. Why should we live this way. It is clear that ISIS needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth. They are increasing in numbers day by day and their net is spreading wider and wider. The action taken against them so far has had little if any impact. A joint and huge campaign to take them out needs to happen and fast.

Can I just add my support for Hoofs post. Nail on head just doesnt do it justice.

It's gods job to forgive ISIS terrorists, hopefully I can facilitate some of those meetings.


Can i just add my admiration for hoof. Never have i seen so many factual inaccuracies and downright lies in one post. Troll par excellence.

 

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Quote dannyh at 17 Nov 2015 1.13pm

So the slimey bearded tramp has finally made a comment about the mass slaughter of innocent civillians by saying he doesnt agree with a shoot to kill policy on terrorists .

Corbyn you are an utter utter spinless wnaker. if I ever meet you in public please dont be offended if I tell you so. You pathetic apologist hangwringing tawtt.


Tell that to the family of that South American who was chased into the tube station and shot...

I actually think Corbyn has been naive although I understand his sentiment.

That's a different argument. But then you probably know that


It all connected including defending the innocent, or say the methods used by the likes of Putin more acceptable than those of the West?

As I have explained previously. There are two things to consider.

The decision making and the execution of said decision.

Once the decision to shoot has been made then you can't f*** about trying to wound someone. It was never practical but particularly now with so many suicide bombers.

John Charles de Menezes was because of operational mistakes before the decision to shoot was made.

 


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Quote serial thriller at 14 Nov 2015 2.30pm

But I'll end this post with one final remark. The rules on this forum state that any racist ethnically objectionable material will be punished. It is my belief that racism, and indeed all forms of prejudice, stem from ignorance, and what I hope I have proved is that from the almost exclusive ignorance of Hoof's post, conclusions have been reached which at best are ethnically objectionable (Not just a few religious zealots or fundamentalists but with Islam itself... the whole ideology!) and at worst advocating genocide (we need to bring in the experts to destroy the nest!). I'd like to see the mods adhere to the rules of their own forum and warn Hoof that such views aren't welcome on here, yet particularly considering one mod has actively supported his beliefs, I'd be surprised if any of them had the guts to do so.


I didn't bother to read Serial's posts on this topic, but I thank the fellow Hol'er that sent me this extract of his post by PM.

My reaction......... how childish and pathetic.... trying to get me banned because of my hard line views that oppose his liberal views and calling me racist AGAIN.

Not content with that.... comparing my use of an analogy to that of the Nazi propaganda spokesman Goebbels speech on the final solution!

Serial.... you and others on here need to stop playing the racist card and revert to trying to convince us your arguments are superior rather than underhand tactics to try and stifle our views.


I don't understand your last paragraph. You openly admit you don't read his posts and then you address him. Hardly respectful.

Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else even though you seem to think it is.

I avoided this thread all weekend because emotions were high. I'm not surprised to see the chest beating bravado of the usual suspects, those of, shall we say, an older generation with ingrained prejudices.

Hol clusterf*ck thread at it's finest.

Completely agree and avoided this thread. I take a deep breath and just remind myself it's a football supporters site.

Saw a poster say he knew nothing about Islam and then the very next sentence proceeded to spout some crap he probably heard about from a less than reputable source and then called for Muslims to he interned.


That's it, get people on your side with charm. Nice tactic.
Careful. Those noisy right wing types might be the only thing between you and ISIL one day.

But more likely, when the terrorists are on our streets, the liberal types will turn turkey and denounce their principles to save their own arses.

Amazing how an automatic weapon in the ear can change people's minds.


What evidence do you base this on or is it just your gut feeling.

Life experience. It's easy to be magnanimous when you are not directly affected.


Why don't you go off and do this rather than troll, the internet then?

That's original.

A rather pathetic attempt at shutting down a debate.


You see, grown ups are allowed to disagree with each other.

 

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