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OldFella Flag London 12 Dec 14 9.02pm Send a Private Message to OldFella Add OldFella as a friend

I've just spent 30 minutes of my life reading 29 pages of posts about Russell Brand. I see it clearly - RB is not a sage/soothsayer/revolutionary/visionary/or similar. He is, imho, a fool and a tool. As Johnny Rotten once said, "Ever get the feeling you've been had". At least the Sex Pistols were just about money, and John Lydon has acknowledged that. RB is about sad, inflated, dyslexic self promotion. Half of the people on here see it for what it is - the other half need to find a new god to represent them. For their chosen one really is a plonker, Rodney.

 


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TUX Flag redhill 12 Dec 14 9.23pm Send a Private Message to TUX Add TUX as a friend

Quote OldFella at 12 Dec 2014 9.02pm

I've just spent 30 minutes of my life reading 29 pages of posts about Russell Brand. I see it clearly - RB is not a sage/soothsayer/revolutionary/visionary/or similar. He is, imho, a fool and a tool. As Johnny Rotten once said, "Ever get the feeling you've been had". At least the Sex Pistols were just about money, and John Lydon has acknowledged that. RB is about sad, inflated, dyslexic self promotion. Half of the people on here see it for what it is - the other half need to find a new god to represent them. For their chosen one really is a plonker, Rodney.


You're right.
I too get the feeling I've been 'had', but it 'aint from Brand 'because he has NO POWER!

Plonker.




 

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sanitycheck Flag 12 Dec 14 9.24pm

Quote OldFella at 12 Dec 2014 9.02pm

I've just spent 30 minutes of my life reading 29 pages of posts about Russell Brand. I see it clearly - RB is not a sage/soothsayer/revolutionary/visionary/or similar. He is, imho, a fool and a tool. As Johnny Rotten once said, "Ever get the feeling you've been had". At least the Sex Pistols were just about money, and John Lydon has acknowledged that. RB is about sad, inflated, dyslexic self promotion. Half of the people on here see it for what it is - the other half need to find a new god to represent them. For their chosen one really is a plonker, Rodney.

Half the people see it "as it is"? They just so happen to be the half that you agree with of course. Funny that.

People are broadly split ideologically in terms of how they view very polarising figures like Brand and Farage. It doesn't mean that they have a screw loose for doing so or that automatically someone they agree with on some issues is suddenly their "god". If we need to start inventing false scenarios to make a point, we don't have a point to begin with.


Edited by sanitycheck (12 Dec 2014 9.50pm)

 

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TUX Flag redhill 12 Dec 14 9.49pm Send a Private Message to TUX Add TUX as a friend

......and why does 'Stuk', who appears to hate Brand, spend so much time researching the man who has NO POWER?

This thread is brilliant example of all that's wrong in OUR country today.
The focus is constantly about 'celebrity over substance'.
I don't agree with Brand all the time and equally cringe occasionally, but he tells it as it is and highlights many issues that rarely come to light in the mainstream media. Who cares if he doesn't have a solution, do the 'others'? Obviously not!
If the silly 'oldgit' above can't see it then what hope for the youngsters?



 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Dec 14 10.36pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Quote TUX at 12 Dec 2014 9.49pm

......and why does 'Stuk', who appears to hate Brand, spend so much time researching the man who has NO POWER?

This thread is brilliant example of all that's wrong in OUR country today.
The focus is constantly about 'celebrity over substance'.
I don't agree with Brand all the time and equally cringe occasionally, but he tells it as it is and highlights many issues that rarely come to light in the mainstream media. Who cares if he doesn't have a solution, do the 'others'? Obviously not!
If the silly 'oldgit' above can't see it then what hope for the youngsters?


I think your man's been found out bud. He's bereft of any answers to most of the questions aimed at him last night and frankly looked out of his depth. That said he's not alone there..




 


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TUX Flag redhill 12 Dec 14 11.08pm Send a Private Message to TUX Add TUX as a friend

Quote Jimenez at 12 Dec 2014 10.36pm

Quote TUX at 12 Dec 2014 9.49pm

......and why does 'Stuk', who appears to hate Brand, spend so much time researching the man who has NO POWER?

This thread is brilliant example of all that's wrong in OUR country today.
The focus is constantly about 'celebrity over substance'.
I don't agree with Brand all the time and equally cringe occasionally, but he tells it as it is and highlights many issues that rarely come to light in the mainstream media. Who cares if he doesn't have a solution, do the 'others'? Obviously not!
If the silly 'oldgit' above can't see it then what hope for the youngsters?


I think your man's been found out bud. He's bereft of any answers to most of the questions aimed at him last night and frankly looked out of his depth. That said he's not alone there..




Another sad soul who spends more of his time reflecting on the 'apparent failings of a comedian' than he does about the MP's who directly affect peoples lives.
Why would anyone do that?

Another gift, along with many, that just keeps on giving.


Edited by TUX (12 Dec 2014 11.09pm)

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Dec 14 11.13pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Quote TUX at 12 Dec 2014 11.08pm

Quote Jimenez at 12 Dec 2014 10.36pm

Quote TUX at 12 Dec 2014 9.49pm

......and why does 'Stuk', who appears to hate Brand, spend so much time researching the man who has NO POWER?

This thread is brilliant example of all that's wrong in OUR country today.
The focus is constantly about 'celebrity over substance'.
I don't agree with Brand all the time and equally cringe occasionally, but he tells it as it is and highlights many issues that rarely come to light in the mainstream media. Who cares if he doesn't have a solution, do the 'others'? Obviously not!
If the silly 'oldgit' above can't see it then what hope for the youngsters?


I think your man's been found out bud. He's bereft of any answers to most of the questions aimed at him last night and frankly looked out of his depth. That said he's not alone there..




Another sad soul who spends more of his time reflecting on the 'apparent failings of a comedian' than he does about the MP's who directly affect peoples lives.
Why would anyone do that?

Another gift, along with many, that just keeps on giving.


Edited by TUX (12 Dec 2014 11.09pm)


Your man took a beating bud and your backtracking to cover your Ass how sad. The classic counter denial rebuttal.

 


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TUX Flag redhill 12 Dec 14 11.35pm Send a Private Message to TUX Add TUX as a friend

Quote Jimenez at 12 Dec 2014 11.13pm

Quote TUX at 12 Dec 2014 11.08pm

Quote Jimenez at 12 Dec 2014 10.36pm

Quote TUX at 12 Dec 2014 9.49pm

......and why does 'Stuk', who appears to hate Brand, spend so much time researching the man who has NO POWER?

This thread is brilliant example of all that's wrong in OUR country today.
The focus is constantly about 'celebrity over substance'.
I don't agree with Brand all the time and equally cringe occasionally, but he tells it as it is and highlights many issues that rarely come to light in the mainstream media. Who cares if he doesn't have a solution, do the 'others'? Obviously not!
If the silly 'oldgit' above can't see it then what hope for the youngsters?


I think your man's been found out bud. He's bereft of any answers to most of the questions aimed at him last night and frankly looked out of his depth. That said he's not alone there..




Another sad soul who spends more of his time reflecting on the 'apparent failings of a comedian' than he does about the MP's who directly affect peoples lives.
Why would anyone do that?

Another gift, along with many, that just keeps on giving.


Edited by TUX (12 Dec 2014 11.09pm)


Your man took a beating bud and your backtracking to cover your Ass how sad. The classic counter denial rebuttal.

JimBob.
Why does Brand take up so much of your time? And you've still nothing to add on those that 'rule over us'?

Go figure.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Dec 14 11.41pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Quote TUX at 12 Dec 2014 11.35pm

Quote Jimenez at 12 Dec 2014 11.13pm

Quote TUX at 12 Dec 2014 11.08pm

Quote Jimenez at 12 Dec 2014 10.36pm

Quote TUX at 12 Dec 2014 9.49pm

......and why does 'Stuk', who appears to hate Brand, spend so much time researching the man who has NO POWER?

This thread is brilliant example of all that's wrong in OUR country today.
The focus is constantly about 'celebrity over substance'.
I don't agree with Brand all the time and equally cringe occasionally, but he tells it as it is and highlights many issues that rarely come to light in the mainstream media. Who cares if he doesn't have a solution, do the 'others'? Obviously not!
If the silly 'oldgit' above can't see it then what hope for the youngsters?


I think your man's been found out bud. He's bereft of any answers to most of the questions aimed at him last night and frankly looked out of his depth. That said he's not alone there..




Another sad soul who spends more of his time reflecting on the 'apparent failings of a comedian' than he does about the MP's who directly affect peoples lives.
Why would anyone do that?

Another gift, along with many, that just keeps on giving.


Edited by TUX (12 Dec 2014 11.09pm)


Your man took a beating bud and your backtracking to cover your Ass how sad. The classic counter denial rebuttal.

JimBob.
Why does Brand take up so much of your time? And you've still nothing to add on those that 'rule over us'?

Go figure.

Actually he doesn't Bud!! Go Figure how American? 'Rule over us' your a grown man yet your still spouting the sort of guff you'd here at a local Polytechnic (sorry community college) I expect better from you Bud!!

 


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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 13 Dec 14 12.24am Send a Private Message to Johnny Eagles Add Johnny Eagles as a friend

Just watched QT. Tried hard to be objective.

I thought:

Russell Brand played the man not the ball in swiping at Nigel Farage. He didn't engage with the questions much and got found out by the bloke who asked him why he wouldn't stand for parliament (but given the state of the shouty idiots in the audience you have to wonder what sane person would want to listen to them moan at you for a living).

He made his populist lefty points well enough. They were simplistic but no more simplistic than any one else's except maybe the journalist.

He's actually gone (very slightly) up in my estimation. I think he does care and he does actually bother. If only the world were as simple as he'd like it to be but as it isn't it probably does need people like him.

I'd still vote for Nige over him any day though.

 


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snytaxx Flag London 13 Dec 14 2.17am Send a Private Message to snytaxx Add snytaxx as a friend

Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 Dec 2014 12.24am

Just watched QT. Tried hard to be objective.

I thought:

Russell Brand played the man not the ball in swiping at Nigel Farage. He didn't engage with the questions much and got found out by the bloke who asked him why he wouldn't stand for parliament (but given the state of the shouty idiots in the audience you have to wonder what sane person would want to listen to them moan at you for a living).

He made his populist lefty points well enough. They were simplistic but no more simplistic than any one else's except maybe the journalist.

He's actually gone (very slightly) up in my estimation. I think he does care and he does actually bother. If only the world were as simple as he'd like it to be but as it isn't it probably does need people like him.

I'd still vote for Nige over him any day though.

A fair assesement I think....

Thought the woman from the UAF kind of shot herself in the foot a bit with the constant shouting down of basically everyone.

 

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SwalecliffeEagle Flag Swalecliffe 13 Dec 14 7.53am Send a Private Message to SwalecliffeEagle Add SwalecliffeEagle as a friend

You've got to hand it to him. I mean, he's masterfully constructed this image of himself as a champion of the people. Whilst the majority of adults see him for what he is, he has a strong base of popularity among many naive, young people and he's exploiting it to great effect. Regardless of the whole 'Champagne Socialist' tag that's rightly been pinned onto him, he continues to build his profile through promoting some tenuous connection he has with the working man and disillusioned youth. Anyone watching QT last night can't have missed his syrupy use of the term 'mate', not to mention the clasping of hands together as if in prayer which surely communicates his sincerity.

He addresses ills in the Westminster establishment recklessly but sensationally (because that sells books), advises all young people to boycott elections (which would lead to minority parties he purports to detest gaining the ascendancy), then laments the lack of a clear choice between the parties (yet, in the next breath, he's slating the one party promoting an obvious deviation from the political norm in UKIP).

But his cleverness lies in his ability to critique the establishment and then, when picked up on his suggestions or challenged on matters of substance, he stands back and protests that he's 'not a politician'. Or at least I'd like to think he's clever, because the only other conclusion is that some people are incredibly thick.

 

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