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Mr E Powell was correct we have rivers of blood in England, you cannot have a faith of other people arrive in their droves to live in peace , soon or later they will put there faith on you. At the moment Christ has lost the war, thanks to the English governments of past.Take a look at Japan did they allow this to happen to please the Muslims. I'm sure the BNP would pleased to hear your right-wing rhetoric. Zzzzzzz bore off . I'm neither left nor right, both are as bad as one another. So next time, engage the brain before you engage the mouth. Edited by Alexi_the_Eagle (03 Sep 2014 9.17pm)
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bubble wrap  Carparks in South East London 04 Sep 14 10.48pm |
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Mr E Powell was correct we have rivers of blood in England, you cannot have a faith of other people arrive in their droves to live in peace , soon or later they will put there faith on you. At the moment Christ has lost the war, thanks to the English governments of past.Take a look at Japan did they allow this to happen to please the Muslims. I'm sure the BNP would pleased to hear your right-wing rhetoric. You mention BNP like they are a bad thing. I am a staunch member of the EDL, Our country is going down the toilet fast. Muslims are taking over areas and there will be no going back. Too many English people are more concerned abut being pc than what is happening in our own country. Call me racist or whatever you like but I love my country and want my kids and their kids to love our country. There are areas in England,that English people cannot go through fear of attack and intimidation. Our country is being raped of taxes by foreigners coming here opening shops, not paying any tax, reclaiming any vat they pay 10 times over by copying the invoices, claiming every benefits under the sun and putting nothing back into our system. Its a joke and the arty farty PC brigade defend these people so they don't get labelled with the racist tag. Defend the Muslims until they cuts someone's head off that you know.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Sep 14 10.57pm |
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Mr E Powell was correct we have rivers of blood in England, you cannot have a faith of other people arrive in their droves to live in peace , soon or later they will put there faith on you. At the moment Christ has lost the war, thanks to the English governments of past.Take a look at Japan did they allow this to happen to please the Muslims. I'm sure the BNP would pleased to hear your right-wing rhetoric. You mention BNP like they are a bad thing. I am a staunch member of the EDL, Our country is going down the toilet fast. Muslims are taking over areas and there will be no going back. Too many English people are more concerned abut being pc than what is happening in our own country. Call me racist or whatever you like but I love my country and want my kids and their kids to love our country. There are areas in England,that English people cannot go through fear of attack and intimidation. Our country is being raped of taxes by foreigners coming here opening shops, not paying any tax, reclaiming any vat they pay 10 times over by copying the invoices, claiming every benefits under the sun and putting nothing back into our system. Its a joke and the arty farty PC brigade defend these people so they don't get labelled with the racist tag. Defend the Muslims until they cuts someone's head off that you know. Ah the past of England was such a great place, a beautiful land where the English danced and sang and everyone was happy, even the birds sang 'ode to joy'. Things like poverty, crime and the like never existed. Or did they. Read 'The Road to Wigan Pier' or 'People of the Abyss' the past was never a better place, not for people like you or me.
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No blacks, no dogs, no Irish. Those were the days.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Sep 14 11.03pm |
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Quote bubble wrap at 04 Sep 2014 10.48pm
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Mr E Powell was correct we have rivers of blood in England, you cannot have a faith of other people arrive in their droves to live in peace , soon or later they will put there faith on you. At the moment Christ has lost the war, thanks to the English governments of past.Take a look at Japan did they allow this to happen to please the Muslims. I'm sure the BNP would pleased to hear your right-wing rhetoric. You mention BNP like they are a bad thing. I am a staunch member of the EDL, Our country is going down the toilet fast. Muslims are taking over areas and there will be no going back. Too many English people are more concerned abut being pc than what is happening in our own country. Call me racist or whatever you like but I love my country and want my kids and their kids to love our country. There are areas in England,that English people cannot go through fear of attack and intimidation. Our country is being raped of taxes by foreigners coming here opening shops, not paying any tax, reclaiming any vat they pay 10 times over by copying the invoices, claiming every benefits under the sun and putting nothing back into our system. Its a joke and the arty farty PC brigade defend these people so they don't get labelled with the racist tag. Defend the Muslims until they cuts someone's head off that you know. They are. They're an awful political party who's manifesto is utterly impractical and would be economic suicide. A popularist party that panders to peoples fears, insecurities and encourages the adoption of utterly unworkable agricultural policy and thinly veiled racist policy, that would decimate the UK economy (give the UK finance industries dependency on foreign investment) There is not a bandwagon they wouldn't hop on in order to milk money from the public. They make Labour look like a decent choice.
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| matt_himself Matataland 04 Sep 14 11.10pm |
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Are you in a 'civil partnership' with Seth? No but you've been f*cked up the arse so hard on this thread I doubt you'll be able to sit down before christmas. Do keep going though, it's tremendously entertaining This thread has been very illuminating. Confirmation that the liberal agenda is built up on decade old Internet blurb, assumption, stunning levels of patronising posturing and put down insults based on f*** all when the fallacy of your views is exposed. The the cycle of tedium isn't broken. Oh no. Kermit resorts to removing himself from the debate when it gets too much for him (he has to post something based on fact) and then re entering with insults. Jamie posts decade old pronouncements from quality journals like the Bristol Gazette. You come up with patronising comments based on...erm...f*** all. Matt_himself frequently backpeddling and moving the goal post to defend a point dismissed, dismissing anything that affronts his opinion, and blaming the 'liberal agenda'. HOL in all its glory I am not back peddling, if anyone has done that, it is you, after you posted decade old Internet stories as factually relevant to present day actions. You haven't convinced me. I believe you believe the best in people. That is commendable. I believe you want to promote this, which is also commendable. I disagree with you because your justifications, as per this thread, were wrong, outdated and incomplete. I am not dismissing anything. I have said I am not convinced by your posts and I still am not. I haven't had time to look through the other stuff posted but will do so when I get a chance. They would of course be date specific, as they relate to specific stories. It would be a bit weird to find a news article for 2014 that related to events in 2007. Stories in the news tend to be in relation to events when they occured. So a vigil to condemn the murder of Lee Rigby, also included on those links, would be from around that particular time. Some of them are much more recent, such as the condemnation by Muslim leaders and groups of the murder of James Foley. I ask the following: the above appears to be reactions to events and reactions to events are easier to do than prevent situations. I don't believe the Muslim community has done enough to prevent atrocities and it appears that the decent people, who abhor the acts, show their disgust after the event. Do you believe that the Muslim community is doing enough to prevent its young being pulled into extremism and if the answer yes, I would appreciate reading something that back up your opinion. No answer from Jamie, though he has answered on another post later than the above. Therefore, Kermit or Seth, please feel free to answer on Jamie's absence. The floor is open.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Sep 14 11.12pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 04 Sep 2014 6.55pm
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Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 9.14pm
Are you in a 'civil partnership' with Seth? No but you've been f*cked up the arse so hard on this thread I doubt you'll be able to sit down before christmas. Do keep going though, it's tremendously entertaining This thread has been very illuminating. Confirmation that the liberal agenda is built up on decade old Internet blurb, assumption, stunning levels of patronising posturing and put down insults based on f*** all when the fallacy of your views is exposed. The the cycle of tedium isn't broken. Oh no. Kermit resorts to removing himself from the debate when it gets too much for him (he has to post something based on fact) and then re entering with insults. Jamie posts decade old pronouncements from quality journals like the Bristol Gazette. You come up with patronising comments based on...erm...f*** all. Matt_himself frequently backpeddling and moving the goal post to defend a point dismissed, dismissing anything that affronts his opinion, and blaming the 'liberal agenda'. HOL in all its glory I am not back peddling, if anyone has done that, it is you, after you posted decade old Internet stories as factually relevant to present day actions. You haven't convinced me. I believe you believe the best in people. That is commendable. I believe you want to promote this, which is also commendable. I disagree with you because your justifications, as per this thread, were wrong, outdated and incomplete. I am not dismissing anything. I have said I am not convinced by your posts and I still am not. I haven't had time to look through the other stuff posted but will do so when I get a chance. They would of course be date specific, as they relate to specific stories. It would be a bit weird to find a news article for 2014 that related to events in 2007. Stories in the news tend to be in relation to events when they occured. So a vigil to condemn the murder of Lee Rigby, also included on those links, would be from around that particular time. Some of them are much more recent, such as the condemnation by Muslim leaders and groups of the murder of James Foley. I ask the following: the above appears to be reactions to events and reactions to events are easier to do than prevent situations. I don't believe the Muslim community has done enough to prevent atrocities and it appears that the decent people, who abhor the acts, show their disgust after the event. Do you believe that the Muslim community is doing enough to prevent its young being pulled into extremism and if the answer yes, I would appreciate reading something that back up your opinion. Wouldn't you just say they could do more, even if I did (and they always could do more). I think there is a problem where Young British Muslim men and women are identifying with dangerous ideology. I think it would be churlish to say otherwise. I'm not actually sure what the Muslim community can do other than condemn actions of Islamists, and publicly talk about their dismay where kids have gone off to fight abroad. That said, its important to root out sources of radicalisation, but not by tarring all muslims with the same brush. Also what are we doing to prevent the attraction of Islamist causes to young impressionable muslim men and women, its not just a Muslim issue. Edited by jamiemartin721 (04 Sep 2014 11.17pm)
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Quote matt_himself at 04 Sep 2014 11.10pm
No answer from Jamie, though he has answered on another post later than the above. Therefore, Kermit or Seth, please feel free to answer on Jamie's absence. The floor is open. Sorry, had more important things to do.
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| Alexi_the_Eagle Newton-le-Willows 04 Sep 14 11.21pm |
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Quote bubble wrap at 04 Sep 2014 10.48pm
Quote Alexi_the_Eagle at 03 Sep 2014 2.06pm
Quote eaglesforward at 03 Sep 2014 12.45pm
Mr E Powell was correct we have rivers of blood in England, you cannot have a faith of other people arrive in their droves to live in peace , soon or later they will put there faith on you. At the moment Christ has lost the war, thanks to the English governments of past.Take a look at Japan did they allow this to happen to please the Muslims. I'm sure the BNP would pleased to hear your right-wing rhetoric. You mention BNP like they are a bad thing. I am a staunch member of the EDL, Our country is going down the toilet fast. Muslims are taking over areas and there will be no going back. Too many English people are more concerned abut being pc than what is happening in our own country. Call me racist or whatever you like but I love my country and want my kids and their kids to love our country. There are areas in England,that English people cannot go through fear of attack and intimidation. Our country is being raped of taxes by foreigners coming here opening shops, not paying any tax, reclaiming any vat they pay 10 times over by copying the invoices, claiming every benefits under the sun and putting nothing back into our system. Its a joke and the arty farty PC brigade defend these people so they don't get labelled with the racist tag. Defend the Muslims until they cuts someone's head off that you know. Did I say I was defending Muslims? Edited by Alexi_the_Eagle (04 Sep 2014 11.22pm)
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Typical right-wingers. I wonder if you're off the soapbox and drinking the cool-aid the EDL are selling. You're as bad as the UAF, but then again, I could care less about if people are left and right. The blame lies squarely at Labour and their open-door policy. | matt_himself Matataland 04 Sep 14 11.23pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 04 Sep 2014 11.12pm
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Quote Seth at 04 Sep 2014 12.44pm
Quote matt_himself at 03 Sep 2014 9.14pm
Are you in a 'civil partnership' with Seth? No but you've been f*cked up the arse so hard on this thread I doubt you'll be able to sit down before christmas. Do keep going though, it's tremendously entertaining This thread has been very illuminating. Confirmation that the liberal agenda is built up on decade old Internet blurb, assumption, stunning levels of patronising posturing and put down insults based on f*** all when the fallacy of your views is exposed. The the cycle of tedium isn't broken. Oh no. Kermit resorts to removing himself from the debate when it gets too much for him (he has to post something based on fact) and then re entering with insults. Jamie posts decade old pronouncements from quality journals like the Bristol Gazette. You come up with patronising comments based on...erm...f*** all. Matt_himself frequently backpeddling and moving the goal post to defend a point dismissed, dismissing anything that affronts his opinion, and blaming the 'liberal agenda'. HOL in all its glory I am not back peddling, if anyone has done that, it is you, after you posted decade old Internet stories as factually relevant to present day actions. You haven't convinced me. I believe you believe the best in people. That is commendable. I believe you want to promote this, which is also commendable. I disagree with you because your justifications, as per this thread, were wrong, outdated and incomplete. I am not dismissing anything. I have said I am not convinced by your posts and I still am not. I haven't had time to look through the other stuff posted but will do so when I get a chance. They would of course be date specific, as they relate to specific stories. It would be a bit weird to find a news article for 2014 that related to events in 2007. Stories in the news tend to be in relation to events when they occured. So a vigil to condemn the murder of Lee Rigby, also included on those links, would be from around that particular time. Some of them are much more recent, such as the condemnation by Muslim leaders and groups of the murder of James Foley. I ask the following: the above appears to be reactions to events and reactions to events are easier to do than prevent situations. I don't believe the Muslim community has done enough to prevent atrocities and it appears that the decent people, who abhor the acts, show their disgust after the event. Do you believe that the Muslim community is doing enough to prevent its young being pulled into extremism and if the answer yes, I would appreciate reading something that back up your opinion. Wouldn't you just say they could do more, even if I did (and they always could do more). I think there is a problem where Young British Muslim men and women are identifying with dangerous ideology. I think it would be churlish to say otherwise. I'm not actually sure what the Muslim community can do other than condemn actions of Islamists, and publicly talk about their dismay where kids have gone off to fight abroad. That said, its important to root out sources of radicalisation, but not by tarring all muslims with the same brush.
In my opinion, the above says nothing. You say all the Muslim community can do is be 'dismayed' by terrorism caused by people within its own ranks. That to me, is not an answer. When you come to another country, whether for a holiday, to work or on business you try and find a way of cohabiting and showing mutual respect. In my opinion, the acceptance by, and apparent lack of resistance too, the number of holiday Jihadists and acceptance by the broader Muslim community of their most violent acts does not evidence a community trying to rid itself of extremist acts before they happen. I have said this before, but convince me otherwise. With facts.
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 04 Sep 14 11.30pm |
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tw@tt_himself has at least done me a big favour. I'd completely forgotten I have to go to the dentist to have a particularly malignant and annoying tooth removed. An apposite analogy for his presence on these boards I'd say
It isn't dignified.
The fact we both know you don't believe it just makes it deeply, almost uncomfortably, tragic.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Sep 14 11.35pm |
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Ever been to ex pat enclaves such as Nerja in Andalusia? Seems like the Brits I came across their haven't bothered to learn to integrate. As for condemnation of IS by Muslims ... There was a programme on radio 4 about muslim led support groups and charities working in areas where parents are worried about their kids being sacked into the IS ideology and successfully bringing these kids back into a sense of Britishness and dissuading them from going to fight in Syria. Also, a Vatican website seems to have found quite a few Muslim organisations that condemn IS. [Link]
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