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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 16 Jul 14 1.37pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

One significant problem for the Palestines, is they have no coherent strategy or unified spokesperson. They are a fractured group(s) of people from a fractured country. Some want to live as normal a life as possible, others want a political solution, and others want to fight the Israeli land-grabbing machine.

Ultimately, shed-loads of Palestinians are dying through indiscriminate Israeli military action, and their homes are being destroyed.

Of course Israel was going to accept a ceasefire, knowing full well that some Palestinians would continue fighting.
Now it seems they are using that as justification for causing another Holocaust on innocent civilians. No doubt the bulldozers will follow with the construction of new Israeli settlements on Palestinian land

and the world does nothing

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Jul 14 1.47pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Quote bright&wright at 16 Jul 2014 8.00am

Palastine are bombing Israel. Israel are bombing Palastine.

It's not Israel's fault they have bigger and better weapons.

Can't remember Hamas giving the Israeli's any warnings before they bombed them?

So many people side with the Palastinian's as if they are absolute saints. They ain't. And if it was the other way round they would have taken land off the Isreali's. In fact, most of their mates refuse to even accept Isreal's existence!

The persecution of the Jews continues - this time from the looney lefty liberals sticking up for a terrorist organisation like Hamas.

Not really like that though is it? I take your point that Hamas are firing rockets (albeit not very good ones) and have even killed one Isreali (allegedly). No-one is really supporting that as far as I'm aware.

However, Isreal is really a colonial nation living on pre-WWII principles. There should be no particular Jewish nation but the European Zionists who are nationalist in the extreme (rather ironically) decided that living alongside Arabs was not to their liking. They decided to forge a Jewish nation, by force, out of someone else's country. Althought the history is often not taught to us it was British soldiers who ended up caught up in this - as Palestine was a British mandate.
Although the British very much wanted to vilify the Arabs it was plain to see that the aggressors were the European Jews. Feelings amongst the British pretty quickly became anti-Isreali - even all that time ago, sometimes that did even manifest itself as anti-Jewish behaviour.
The Isrealis, however, are untouchable due to the Jewish lobby and its money, in US politics. They are a law unto themselves. UN mandates are meaniningless to them as they continue to behave how they want. To balance this out, not all Isrealis are Zionists, but one of the problems is at times of crisis like this, it is the most extreme Isrealis that become more powerful. I have had to stop short at the fear of writing a whole historical thesis. You can look it up yourselves. I advise though that you don't read any sites with a 'mosquebusters' icon!
As for the Arabs, they consider themselves a resistance movement. In a way, one can hardly blame them due to the conditions thay have to face and the clear colonial domination Isreal has over Palestine and Gaza.
I for one have never believed in the reality or necessity for Isreal as a state so I am staunchly anti-Isreali. Like the British mandate I would like to see a culturally diverse state where all the different religions and ethnicities could live with little fear and with integration. That seems like as much of a pipe-dream as it ever has been whilst the radicals are empowered by outbreaks of violence like this.

One thing that interests me about the curent situation is that it was caused by a kidnapping and then by the reprisals. This now seems to have been completely forgotten and it shows how the catalyst for violence - even war - can be relatively small. A bit like the killing of the Austrian Archduke pre WWI.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 16 Jul 14 2.10pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote Forest Hillbilly at 16 Jul 2014 1.37pm

One significant problem for the Palestines, is they have no coherent strategy or unified spokesperson. They are a fractured group(s) of people from a fractured country. Some want to live as normal a life as possible, others want a political solution, and others want to fight the Israeli land-grabbing machine.

Ultimately, shed-loads of Palestinians are dying through indiscriminate Israeli military action, and their homes are being destroyed.

Of course Israel was going to accept a ceasefire, knowing full well that some Palestinians would continue fighting.
Now it seems they are using that as justification for causing another Holocaust on innocent civilians. No doubt the bulldozers will follow with the construction of new Israeli settlements on Palestinian land

and the world does nothing


What do you think should happen?

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 16 Jul 14 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions

If you have half an hour to spare to read the very, very long list.


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A law unto themselves. A rogue state?

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Jul 14 2.27pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Jul 2014 2.23pm

Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions

If you have half an hour to spare to read the very, very long list.


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A law unto themselves. A rogue state?

Kind of a model for a new Scotland?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 16 Jul 14 2.42pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Jul 2014 2.23pm

Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions

If you have half an hour to spare to read the very, very long list.


[Link]


A law unto themselves. A rogue state?


A law unto themselves would just move or kill all the Palestinians.

Israel only listen to America.

 


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jcreedy Flag 16 Jul 14 2.51pm Send a Private Message to jcreedy Add jcreedy as a friend

Quote bright&wright at 16 Jul 2014 8.00am

Palastine are bombing Israel. Israel are bombing Palastine.

It's not Israel's fault they have bigger and better weapons.

Can't remember Hamas giving the Israeli's any warnings before they bombed them?

So many people side with the Palastinian's as if they are absolute saints. They ain't. And if it was the other way round they would have taken land off the Isreali's. In fact, most of their mates refuse to even accept Isreal's existence!

The persecution of the Jews continues - this time from the looney lefty liberals sticking up for a terrorist organisation like Hamas.

You're confusing Hamas with the Palestinian people. They're two very different things.


Edited by jcreedy (16 Jul 2014 2.52pm)

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 16 Jul 14 3.02pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

The problem being, IMO is that the volatile element of Palestine is HAMAS, where as the whole of the Israeli Government is the volatile element.

In Northern Ireland deals where made between each "political" enforcement arm, how can you do that when an entire nations (if indeed Israel is a nation) power base is the aggressor.

Palestine can't win, and what the Jews are doing is nothing short of war crimes, no different to Putin sticking his nose into Ukraine, the world and NATO where up in arms over that little manoeuvre. But say nothing when Israel sends in tanks to demolish Palestinian homes.

I'm no supporter of terrorism including HAMAS, but I can’t help but feel Israel are the ones with the attitude problem.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jul 14 3.15pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 16 Jul 2014 2.10pm

Quote Forest Hillbilly at 16 Jul 2014 1.37pm

One significant problem for the Palestines, is they have no coherent strategy or unified spokesperson. They are a fractured group(s) of people from a fractured country. Some want to live as normal a life as possible, others want a political solution, and others want to fight the Israeli land-grabbing machine.

Ultimately, shed-loads of Palestinians are dying through indiscriminate Israeli military action, and their homes are being destroyed.

Of course Israel was going to accept a ceasefire, knowing full well that some Palestinians would continue fighting.
Now it seems they are using that as justification for causing another Holocaust on innocent civilians. No doubt the bulldozers will follow with the construction of new Israeli settlements on Palestinian land

and the world does nothing


What do you think should happen?


If we gave Palestine some Trident missiles...

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jul 14 3.15pm

Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2014 3.02pm

The problem being, IMO is that the volatile element of Palestine is HAMAS, where as the whole of the Israeli Government is the volatile element.

In Northern Ireland deals where made between each "political" enforcement arm, how can you do that when an entire nations (if indeed Israel is a nation) power base is the aggressor.

Palestine can't win, and what the Jews are doing is nothing short of war crimes, no different to Putin sticking his nose into Ukraine, the world and NATO where up in arms over that little manoeuvre. But say nothing when Israel sends in tanks to demolish Palestinian homes.

I'm no supporter of terrorism including HAMAS, but I can’t help but feel Israel are the ones with the attitude problem.

Bloody hell. I agree with DannyH-I need a lie down.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 16 Jul 14 4.10pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote ASCPFC at 16 Jul 2014 2.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Jul 2014 2.23pm

Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions

If you have half an hour to spare to read the very, very long list.


[Link]


A law unto themselves. A rogue state?

Kind of a model for a new Scotland?


We will only be after what is rightfully ours according to the bible. Berwick and Buckfastleigh.

 


Big chest and massive boobs

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jul 14 4.27pm

This is indefensible...
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Probably targeted for skimming stones.

 

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