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Pikester Worthing 24 Nov 04 6.52pm | |
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I'm with Jay on this one. We've had all this with the 'Yid' thread with people asking is "Paddy" racist? What about (thieving) Scouser? I think certain terms are way out of order such as the N-wprd because of all its connections with the Slave era. I've never really understood why P-A-K-I is particularly offensive as it's only an abbreviation of ****stani. Also why is Racial assualt worse than a normal assault. Beating up someone because you don't like their colour or beating up someone because they spilt your pint still amounts to the same crime. At the moment this is the media hot potato and the Sun especially is picking up on any Racist soccer issue with a vengeance. People will always pick on someone for being different - it happens from our earliest days at school. Who had a girl who always stunk of pee in their class? Hands Up. Was calling her 'pee pants' worse than calling an Indian waiter "Oi Gupta!" I think the Race Card is played when it's wanted and ignored when it's not. When the newspaper says "A Black Man was seen in the area" it's just reporting a fact. If I go to Palace and call Dwight Yorke a "Black c***" it's considered racist?? I would have thought being called a c*** was the worst bit of the sentence. This always makes for a lively debate on here - but that's my two-penneth worth.
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madcap #winning 24 Nov 04 7.12pm | |
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Quote pikey_eagle at 24 Nov 2004 6:52pm
If I go to Palace and call Dwight Yorke a "Black c***" it's considered racist?? I would have thought being called a c*** was the worst bit of the sentence. This always makes for a lively debate on here - but that's my two-penneth worth.
An indian friend of mine explained to me why he despises the word ****, the connotation associated with it today is completely different from what understand it to be.
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Seth On a pale blue dot 24 Nov 04 7.13pm | |
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:44pm
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm
I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.
Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue. Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred? Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm) No...making monkey noises at a black player is aimed at making someone feel sub-human as in the days of slavery which is totally unacceptable. Abuse about hair colour and height is totally different. But why would it make you feel sub human? The people who make these gestures and noises are morons who are so deluded that it's almost laughable, why their 'opinion' should bother anybody to the extent that it would make them feel sub human, is beyond me. Obviously people should be stopped by all means from doing this, but we need to be careful where we draw the line. If we are to punish fans for abusing players, then it can't just for abuse directed at the colour of a player's skin.
When you consider the context of racism - slavery, genocide, the holocaust, colonialism - you should be able to see that racial abuse has another dimension when compared to abuse because of someone's hair colour or what they wear. Remember you can change your clothes, dye your hair or wear contacts instead of glasses. Skin colour is impossible to change.
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Seth On a pale blue dot 24 Nov 04 7.25pm | |
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Quote redacted Much less of a burden that slaves carried, and much less than many African countries are still carrying as a result of European imperialism.
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 24 Nov 04 7.41pm | |
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Quote pikey_eagle at 24 Nov 2004 6:52pm
I'm with Jay on this one. Etc. That is a fantastic post. Saved me the trouble of making the same points.
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jcreedy 24 Nov 04 8.02pm | |
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm
I was heavily bullied when I was 8 for being very tall for my age, yet had I been racially abused, it would have been perceived as far more serious. Why? I was also verbally and physically abused for being very tall and skinny for my age at school until I filled out a bit. Edited by jcreedy (24 Nov 2004 8:03pm)
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matthau South Croydon 24 Nov 04 8.25pm | |
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what i find out of order is the fact that we openly accept temples being erected in the UK but if a small british, or generally white community would try to make a christian Church in Dehli theyd be strung up. PCorrectness can somtimes go to far one way...
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saxoneagle Bromley 24 Nov 04 8.27pm | |
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I have a white friend who was attacked by a group of black girls and some of the things they said to her were racist. When she reported it to the police they put it down as assualt and she questioned whether it should be "racially motivated assault" due to the comments that were made. She was told that they couldn't possibly call it racially motivated without evidence Imagine the flipside - the Steven Lawrence's, the Damilola Taylor's... all whipped up into a media race-hate fuelled frenzy. Why is one different to the other? Racism is abhorrent in all forms, and in the main i agree with nearly everything Pikey said too.
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saxoneagle Bromley 24 Nov 04 8.29pm | |
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Quote matthau at 24 Nov 2004 8:25pm
what i find out of order is the fact that we openly accept temples being erected in the UK but if a small british, or generally white community would try to make a christian Church in Dehli theyd be strung up. PCorrectness can somtimes go to far one way... Well didn't i read on here that someone's firm is not having a Christmas Party this year to avoid offending the non-Christians? I think sometimes we forget that we are a Christian rooted country who openly accept other religions and cultures but that we should not forget our heritage either, as tainted as it may be.
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