Fair call. However my argument is (as someone who works in politics) that people jump on certain bandwagons who do not and will never be submitted to certain environments.

Not only that, 'Gary O' took a traditional and cultural posturing nd accused it of being "NF".

Historically and factually it was not only incorrect, but also offensive and the accusation derives from teenage wannabe politics.

I could argue with him on any level, but to equate my culture/politics so readily based on his youth and inexperience deserves an equal reponse.

The very core of his argument and then defence, was not only incorrect but charged with baseless and well-worn (and discredited) views. So, in my opinion politically and sexually, I responded like wise.

There is no doubt in my opinion, that to attack (and wrongly so if you check his accusation against me) "No Surrender" by equating it to a long vanquished and insignificant ideology shows he (by the very fact he has signed up to have this very argument only)only came on here for two reasons:

1) He has no girlfriend
2) he has joined a political party that has filled his head with useless and incoherent nonsense.

On the subject of "travellers" or in common venacular "Pikies", he takes a charge levelled by Fleet Street mongers at a sect of working class youth as an indictment on the "Gypsy" community. Rising (as I did) to that charge I gambled (correctly) that other than seeing Brad Pitt act in a s***-pop movie, he took it upon himself to now come on here and defend them (even though they were not actually under attack on the original forum postings.)

Further than that, having seen "travellers" or "Pikies" up close, I do not feel there is any reason for anyone who has to live under their criminal gaze to accept a "moral" bollocking from someone who is so misinformed or so clueless of the realities of this subject.

So, I relegated it to the gutter from where it came.

I can only await the "some of my best friends are Gypsies" from his ilk.

As for the Chavs, of whom he was so mixed up in the first place, the working classes hate them.

Middle class dicks like him believe it's a "cultural phenomenon", those of us closer to the ground think: "Chavs are scum".

That includes Pikies/Gippos etc,etc

(Excuse the spelling, my kid woke up half way through)

Up the PUP.

Ok a shot in the dark here...( think I'm allowed to say that )...Gary O and Palace Tart are the same person, right ?

It's some weird internet version of Fight Club going on, yes ?

Old, Ungifted and White

No. They're on line at the same time. I checked.

Another diatribe is due

First of the gang with a gun in his hand....

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Edited by Oz Eagle (29 Oct 2004 2:42am)

First of the gang with a gun in his hand....

Most of my comments are in bold. But I think I messed that up somewhat.

First of the gang with a gun in his hand....

Unfortunately racial prejudice is alive and well in all corners of the Globe. The root of much of this is however due to personal experience. So the fact that people are prejudice against certain races due to their own personal experience is understandable in some cases... and also historical/Political/geographical prejudice cannot be discounted.. (Arabs/Jews) (Protestant/Catholic), ("country A" / whatever country is next-door to "country A")..... even ("Football team A" / "next nearest football team".....and Brighton) . It's always been that way. Human nature I guess.

Now, back to the point I was originally trying to make.. I have had a number of incidents where 'travellers/gypsies/Pikies' have moved into neighbourhoods nearby my house (near Lansdowne Road) and also my old school (Ashburton). And yes, break-ins and car-thefts did rise during this period EVERY time AND again EVERY TIME stripped stolen cars (and in one case the Schools' video recorder complete with Croydon Education Council sticker) were recovered from the site (including my own car... what was left of it).
Now... I'd like to be open minded an PC about this but due to personal experience..(5 separate incidents where travellers have moved in nearby, 4 break-ins during these times and 1 car theft) and if I'm 100% honest with myself... If travellers moved into my neighbourhood my first thought would be to think "oh no... I'd better secure the home and car". As I said, it's a terrible thing to say.. but that would honestly be my first thought based on past experience. I wish I could say it wouldn't be my first thought.. but unfortunately it is.
Now I know I'm going to get a lot of "travellers/gypsies/pikies are different types of people...you don't know who you were dealing with back then.. and you're 100% right.. I don't!.. however, when they move into your neighbourhood, it is difficult to distinguish the differences between travelling communities by sight alone and as such, they unfortunately get "tarred with the same brush". Again, a terrible thing to say.. but in my view understandable from a victims' perspective. I believe that many victims' first (and probably the most honest) reaction would be the same as mine. However, I do realise that a more PC reaction would be more acceptable in today's society. But that would mean me not being honest with my thoughts.

All peoples opinions on this subject are valid from either side of the fence. Opinions can be based on personal experience, the media, word of mouth.. etc... and as there are many different sources/reasons for prejudice it will never be resolved. Prejudice started with the dawn of man and it hasn't been solved so far...