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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Jun 24 6.17am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Cornwall isn’t a nation or a country. It has a special category. Being Cornish has no real meaning, other than an emotional attachment. We are all English.

You can acquire British citizenship and then you are free to regard yourself as English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish depending on where you live.

My wife’s colleagues children are culturally and emotionally 100% English. Their parents are settled here and not just visiting. The husband has not acquired citizenship solely because there is no need to spend the money. If it was free, he would. His wife has because a British passport naturally followed from her visa route.

To suggest the children aren’t English is both legally incorrect and impractical. They are British citizens and not citizens of any other country. They live in Cornwall, which is part of England. They are English and regarded as English by everyone in their circle.

What about me and my French grandmother? Must I surrender my English identity too?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jun 2024 10.04pm)

I find your 3rd paragraph hard to follow. No one, whatever visa they entered with has to take out British Citizenship, there must have been a reason for her making that decision. In my experience the cost of Citizenship rarely stops a person applying, as British Citizenship is still much sought after.
Were the children born here? If so, was that after the mother obtained BC?

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My Cornish neighbours are proud of their heritage and culture. They know they are legally English and that I am too. I won’t ever be Cornish, as there is no way that can be acquired, but I am already accepted as someone who respects, enjoys and treasures Cornish culture. I will be at the Sea Shanty Festival tomorrow, singing along with the Fisherman’s Friends and thousands of others. No barriers there. Should an “incomer” have children with Cornishman or woman and they grew up here then those children would certainly be accepted as being Cornish.

You are such a knob.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 8.12am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No it isn't. Nowhere else is a Duchy was the claim.

In the context of the discussion. Which was about Cornwall. Which is not a town.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 8.29am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Just seen this thread and I laughed out loud.

Can you not see what a contradiction that is?

If you can't become Cornish, then by the same logic you can't become English.

I don't think the science of all this is really the defining point of this argument.
What is clear is that most people on Earth are allowed to hold their culture, heritage, identity and race in high esteem, except it seems for the English. Perhaps most of Northern Europe suffer from this to a large degree.

If you are White and a bit pasty, it seems that the left and some of their minority friends want to condemn and vilify any sign of nationalism or any pride in or ownership of identity whatsoever.

This is clearly prejudice in the purest form.

You try to perpetuate this attitude with the ridiculous self hating nonsense you post on here.

As for your French grandmother. You are part French. You have some French Heritage. Seems fairly simple. You are also mostly English, presumably.

You are apparently not Cornish despite living in Cornwall, however I have never lived in Cornwall but have a lot of genetic heritage from that area.
Despite that, the locals would not accept me as Cornish I'm sure, just the same as I won't accept someone from pakistan as English.

Fairly straight forward.

I saw your post and laughed out loud.

You do realise that Cornwall is not a country?

I wondered how long it would be before being “white” crept into the argument. Creepy being entirely appropriate!

So because I have a French grandmother I am now to be regarded as “mostly English”!

That must mean everyone, you included, are only “mostly English” because it’s a nailed on certainly that everyone has many strands in their bloodline which originate in another country. Many not that long ago! We are all partly “something else” by this definition. Everyone of us.

Which means in your eyes the English don’t exist! Glad we cleared that up!

I have no problem at all with anyone being proud of English culture, heritage and history. How they acquire that pride is a matter for them. Not anyone else.

 


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Originally posted by YT


You are such a knob.

Why don't you try debating the issue rather than just throwing out childish insults

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 8.34am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

So are they Cornish or English?

No settled answer.

Some think only Cornish. Some both. Others just English.

Take your pick.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 8.41am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I find your 3rd paragraph hard to follow. No one, whatever visa they entered with has to take out British Citizenship, there must have been a reason for her making that decision. In my experience the cost of Citizenship rarely stops a person applying, as British Citizenship is still much sought after.
Were the children born here? If so, was that after the mother obtained BC?

The children were born here. I believe she became a citizen some years earlier. She has lived in the UK for quite a while. I am not 100% sure the reason for obtaining a British passport but think it was to facilitate travel. The husband, being a citizen of an EU country, having no such issues.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Jun 24 9.10am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In the context of the discussion. Which was about Cornwall. Which is not a town.

The Duchy of Lancaster doesn't just cover a town. It includes areas of Lancashire, Yorkshire, Cheshire, Staffordshire and Lincolnshire and is older than Cornwall too.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Jun 24 9.12am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No settled answer.

Some think only Cornish. Some both. Others just English.

Take your pick.

Why not British like the rest of us are expected to?

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 15 Jun 24 10.08am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

I'm South London and Proud. Dad was brought up in Mitcham and his dad's brother worked at the Crystal Palace. Mum, one of 13 kids, came from Sunderland where her father was a docker.

I'm English, full stop.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No, if you have no English DNA you aren't English.

DNA only ? its a bit of a Hitler simplistic argument.

Everybody who has done a DNA test will have seen a ton of different strands. Paddy & Mickey could be IRA men planning the next march. Staunchly pro Irish and anti British. Yet one has 10% British DNA and the other doesnt. Both lads look and talk and think similarly. Paddy could have got his British DNA from a thousand years ago. Similarly, Orangemen in Belfast....proudly British. We can expect a huge amount of Irish DNA in there, especially from the Scottish fellas.

Noel Gallagher could have 100% irish DNA , hence the IRA fella is more of a Brit than him ?

And if you got some Viking DNA does that make you Danish ? And was it a nice respectful marriage or was it Rape ? Similarly with Stalins organised Rape gangs across all of Central Europe.

halfway between marriage and Rape is girls being trafficked and other coercive economics. A significant proportion of people in the Middle East have British DNA from the Viking Slave Trade. In the year 900 there were literally shiploads of girls trafficked to Constantinople. Later the Barbary Pirates did something similar, for the Courts of the Sultan in Istanbul.

Lots of fellas in Turkey have 1% British DNA. People in Iceland have about 50% Scottish & Irish DNA from girls trafficked by Vikings. Are Icelanders now British ?

we probably all have crimes in our DNA. Both perpetrators and Victims. You just have to go back far enough. Like Gengis Khan, crimes leave a DNA footprint. Over the last 10,000 years you are almost certain to have a warlord with a harem in your family tree.

As mentioned above, the Van Tulleken brothers have not one drop of British blood, yet seem more English than the English.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 10.22am)

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

DNA

Everybody who has done a DNA test will have seen a ton of different strands. Paddy & Mickey could be IRA men planning the next march. Staunchly pro Irish and anti British. Yet one has 10% British DNA and the other doesnt. Both lads look and talk and think similarly.

Noel Gallagher could have 100% irish DNA , hence the IRA fella is more of a Brit than him ?

And if you got some Viking DNA does that make you Danish ? And was it a nice respectful marriage or was it Rape ? Similarly with Stalins organised Rape gangs across all of Central Europe.

halfway between marriage and Rape is girls being trafficked and other coercive economics. A significant proportion of people in the Middle East have British DNA from the Viking Slave Trade. In the year 900 there were literally shiploads of girls trafficked to Constantinople. Later the Barbary Pirates did something similar, for the Courts of the Sultan in Istanbul.

we probably all have crimes in our DNA. Both perpetrators and Victims. You just have to go back far enough. Like Gengis Khan, crimes leave a DNA footprint. Over the last 10,000 years you are almost certain to have a warlord with a harem in your family tree.

My post answered all this.

You are just repeating the same point.

As for Noel Gallagher, I very much doubt that a DNA test would show no English DNA but if he's 100 percent Irish then cool. No problem....the Beatles had lots of Irish DNA as well.

Most, if not all of the native people on these isles will have lineages connecting them to its various parts.

The only thing I'd say about him is that someone who claims to be pure Irish should at least live there or have lived there and not instead move from Manchester to Hampshire. Sounds more plastic paddy than Irish but good luck to him.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2024 10.27am)

 


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