What's interesting is that the EU seems to be shifting it's political view to the right whilst we shift ours to the left.

This makes me feel very uncomfortable.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

As I mentioned before , when the French conservatives decided to punish the party they got over a decade of Mitterand hell.

The socialist govt was on message, buy loads of votes by giving away free stuff.

Chirac inherited the standard post socialist financial quagmire

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

In many places if you add Farage's votes to the Tories they outnumber Labour.

Farage's Reform are probably going to become the official opposition.

Then, after the election, once the Conservatives get rid of all their wet 'one nation liberal' types the two parties will probably merge.

The incompetence of the Conservatives and their obsession with copying Blairism is seeing that party under genuine threat of practical extinction.

There will be fallout.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Correct

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

That they are protesting about immigration is undoubtedly true but protest it is. If and when the right get any kind of lever on the power to do something, and then fail as they are sure to, the protests will be directed at them and the popularity of the populists will evaporate as quickly as it arrived.

The underlying political outlook of the majority of the people in Europe, and in the UK, is social democratic. That is only going to increase as our younger generations are more progressive and socially aware than the older ones.

The level of optimism in this thread from the right that this is a watershed moment for them seems complete nonsense to me. The idea that Reform will become the official opposing in the UK before becoming the next government but one, especially so as I doubt they will get more than one seat. Their voice needs to be heard though and the only way to properly achieve that is via PR. Only when their arguments are debated and countered in Parliament will I be satisfied. That though will not be gifted to them anytime soon.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Today is the start of a new era in Europe:

France: National Rally wins a historic 31.5% of the EU vote, forcing Macron to dissolve the national parliament.

Germany: AfD surges to become the 2nd largest party, liberal parties tank.

Belgium: Prime Minister resigns after his crushing defeat against the right.

Italy: Meloni's Brother of Italy wins in a historic landslide

Austria: FPÖ doubles their seats and becomes the largest party in the nation.

Spain: Right beating the left by 10%.

🇱🇺 Luxemburg: First ever seat for ADR.

The list goes on.