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cryrst The garden of England 24 Apr 24 3.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
Can't see what all the fuss is about? He can do what he wants. If the police advise him and he ignores their advice let the cocky barsteward take the consequences. The "minority groups" seem to hold all the sway in our society nowadays. Ironic really considering the uk is 80% white.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Apr 24 10.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That bit obviously didn't apply to you. Breach of the peace you mean? The point is, takes a deep breath, that a Jewish person should not have to be constrained from going where he pleases in Britain simply because a bunch of Leftist antisemites and Muslims decide they want to demonstrate every single weekend in our national capital. What would happen if he had done the same with a right wing march? What would the police have done? What would you say about it then? The Left is full of hypocrites and the Police are an instrument of political wokery. The point is that he, or anyone else of whatever religion or group they belong to, are not constrained from going anywhere they please. Just so long as they, and me and you, do so legally. He hasn’t been constrained by his Jewishness but by his actions. It’s completely irrelevant what the other party were protesting about. So long as they do it legally and peacefully then they are exercising their democratic right to express an opinion. If the police decide that someone is trying to disrupt them from exercising that right in a manner by which a breach of the peace might occur then they have no choice other than to act. If a peaceful right wing march took place, with legal banners, no promotion of hate speech or encouragement of violence, then anyone trying to disrupt it would deserve and get the same response from the police. The problem being, of course, that many right wing marches are neither peaceful nor legal.
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cryrst The garden of England 24 Apr 24 11.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The point is that he, or anyone else of whatever religion or group they belong to, are not constrained from going anywhere they please. Just so long as they, and me and you, do so legally. He hasn’t been constrained by his Jewishness but by his actions. It’s completely irrelevant what the other party were protesting about. So long as they do it legally and peacefully then they are exercising their democratic right to express an opinion. If the police decide that someone is trying to disrupt them from exercising that right in a manner by which a breach of the peace might occur then they have no choice other than to act. If a peaceful right wing march took place, with legal banners, no promotion of hate speech or encouragement of violence, then anyone trying to disrupt it would deserve and get the same response from the police. The problem being, of course, that many right wing marches are neither peaceful nor legal. What defines right wing. Is it holding the national flag or having a short haircut ? Edited by cryrst (24 Apr 2024 11.43pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Apr 24 8.35am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The point is , if he was attacked by the pro-Palestinian mob it would have proved the weekly marches are not " peaceful " if you are of a different opinion. It's a peaceful mob only as long as you don't question what they are doing, which makes the Met look biased again. It was not about protecting him it was about protecting the image of the mob Edited by HKOwen (24 Apr 2024 11.32am) Every group will contain a mix of people. Some better at self restraint than others. It’s unreasonable to describe the marchers as a whole as a mob. The police have a duty to intervene whenever they believe a breach of the police is threatened and if someone is deliberately taking actions designed to provoke hot heads they will. Those seeking to divert attention away from the provocation by constant references to a group protesting about a humanitarian crisis and expressing concerns for innocent people caught up in a terrible situation aren’t thinking straight. Whilst anyone expressing any kind of support for a terrorist group like Hamas deserve condemnation those whose concern is entirely for the innocent do not. Those who attempt to provoke trouble are not helping anyone, or their cause.
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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Apr 24 8.43am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The point is that he, or anyone else of whatever religion or group they belong to, are not constrained from going anywhere they please. Just so long as they, and me and you, do so legally. He hasn’t been constrained by his Jewishness but by his actions. It’s completely irrelevant what the other party were protesting about. So long as they do it legally and peacefully then they are exercising their democratic right to express an opinion. If the police decide that someone is trying to disrupt them from exercising that right in a manner by which a breach of the peace might occur then they have no choice other than to act. If a peaceful right wing march took place, with legal banners, no promotion of hate speech or encouragement of violence, then anyone trying to disrupt it would deserve and get the same response from the police. The problem being, of course, that many right wing marches are neither peaceful nor legal. Legally. So which part of wishing to go where you please in London is illegal? Do me a favour Wisbech. The police response to demonstrations is clearly selective. The patriotic White working class are now being treated like the enemy, and being Jewish clearly means that you have to go into hiding at weekends in London. This is the country you want? Heaven help us.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Apr 24 8.45am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
What defines right wing. Is it holding the national flag or having a short haircut ? Edited by cryrst (24 Apr 2024 11.43pm) The national flag has unfortunately been appropriated by some and is being hidden behind to justify xenophobia. So it depends on the circumstances whether it is indicative of a genuine sense of pride in our country or of a problematic attitude. The police will judge solely on behaviour and the law. If any protest/march is peaceful and doesn’t break the law then it will be accommodated. If others try to disrupt it they wil be challenged. Terrorists would be arrested. Antifa, or a legal right wing group, could march so long as they stay onside of the legal lines.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Apr 24 8.56am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Legally. So which part of wishing to go where you please in London is illegal? Do me a favour Wisbech. The police response to demonstrations is clearly selective. The patriotic White working class are now being treated like the enemy, and being Jewish clearly means that you have to go into hiding at weekends in London. This is the country you want? Heaven help us. Everywhere is legal unless there have been restrictions, usually temporary because of specific events, in place. Restrictions designed to ensure safety for everyone. You cannot go in anyone’s private spaces though and if the police believe it’s necessary to define temporary no go areas so they can handle things safely then they must do so. That applies to everyone, whatever group they think they fit into. Some would describe the “patriotic white working class” in very different terms. No doubt Yaxley-Lennon feels he belongs there which says enough.
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cryrst The garden of England 25 Apr 24 9.12am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The national flag has unfortunately been appropriated by some and is being hidden behind to justify xenophobia. So it depends on the circumstances whether it is indicative of a genuine sense of pride in our country or of a problematic attitude. The police will judge solely on behaviour and the law. If any protest/march is peaceful and doesn’t break the law then it will be accommodated. If others try to disrupt it they wil be challenged. Terrorists would be arrested. Antifa, or a legal right wing group, could march so long as they stay onside of the legal lines. Having a fear of foreigners isn’t actually illegal. Preferring to be around your own isn’t racist. When the pro Hamas protesters block roads and spray buildings with paint. That is illegal. When was the last time the right did that?
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silvertop Portishead 25 Apr 24 9.42am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That bit obviously didn't apply to you. Breach of the peace you mean? The point is, takes a deep breath, that a Jewish person should not have to be constrained from going where he pleases in Britain simply because a bunch of Leftist antisemites and Muslims decide they want to demonstrate every single weekend in our national capital. What would happen if he had done the same with a right wing march? What would the police have done? What would you say about it then? The Left is full of hypocrites and the Police are an instrument of political wokery. Who would have put these two words together a year ago? Antisemitism has been a trope of the right for longer than I've been around. And who and where are the "left" who are antisemitic? Are all leftists antisemites? What is a leftist? Am I? What's going on?
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Teddy Eagle 25 Apr 24 9.53am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Who would have put these two words together a year ago? Antisemitism has been a trope of the right for longer than I've been around. And who and where are the "left" who are antisemitic? Are all leftists antisemites? What is a leftist? Am I? What's going on? Whatever it is it's been going on for longer than a year.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Apr 24 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Having a fear of foreigners isn’t actually illegal. Preferring to be around your own isn’t racist. When the pro Hamas protesters block roads and spray buildings with paint. That is illegal. When was the last time the right did that? The suffix phobia is fear and loathing/aversion to. No illegality there unless I suppose you are in McMarxist Land
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HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Apr 24 10.17am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Who would have put these two words together a year ago? Antisemitism has been a trope of the right for longer than I've been around. And who and where are the "left" who are antisemitic? Are all leftists antisemites? What is a leftist? Am I? What's going on? Leftist anti semites aka Jew haters were those who supported Corbyn. Starmer at least had the cajones to take on board the damning report and weed out some of the worst.There are still plenty in the SCG like led by Burgon. There are some on here who would still reject the revised definition of anti semitism adopted by Labour after the report. Edited by HKOwen (25 Apr 2024 10.19am)
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