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PalazioVecchio south pole 17 Feb 24 1.36pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Assange and Alexi Navalny were in prison to try and break them. Russia decided it couldn't break Navalny,...Assange may come to a similar fate. maybe. Or maybe it was to make a public example of them. To scare the next generation of trouble-makers. similar to Leon Trotski in Mexico City. "he got an ice pick, that made his ears burn" Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Assange and Alexi Navalny were in prison to try and break them.
Russia decided it couldn't break Navalny,...Assange may come to a similar fate.

maybe. Or maybe it was to make a public example of them. To scare the next generation of trouble-makers.

similar to Leon Trotski in Mexico City. "he got an ice pick, that made his ears burn"

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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snytaxx London 17 Feb 24 2.18pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I considered replying to this guy again but it becomes a pointless passive aggressive, 'yes it is, no it isn't' ego fest that never ends and frankly bores me: It's a merry-go-round. People can look at the different perspectives and see what they consider the most balanced position. So if anyone is curious and wants to ask me a question based on any of this I'll reply but other than that I'm good. Sorry Stirling, looks like I've violated your safe space. Still plenty of good news from the front regarding avdiivka. Something to push out those awkward questions on Navalny away from the headlines.
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London 17 Feb 24 2.18pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I considered replying to this guy again but it becomes a pointless passive aggressive, 'yes it is, no it isn't' ego fest that never ends and frankly bores me: It's a merry-go-round.

People can look at the different perspectives and see what they consider the most balanced position.

So if anyone is curious and wants to ask me a question based on any of this I'll reply but other than that I'm good.

Sorry Stirling, looks like I've violated your safe space. Still plenty of good news from the front regarding avdiivka. Something to push out those awkward questions on Navalny away from the headlines.

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eaglesdare 17 Feb 24 2.51pm
I am pretty sure Putin would have loved to make a martyr of the guy by killing him.................
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17 Feb 24 2.51pm

I am pretty sure Putin would have loved to make a martyr of the guy by killing him.................

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Stirlingsays 17 Feb 24 3.27pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare I am pretty sure Putin would have loved to make a martyr of the guy by killing him................. There's video of him the day before talking to lawyers, looked fine. I exclude nothing, however Occam's razor is usually correct. His safety was the responsibility of Russia. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Feb 24 3.27pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

I am pretty sure Putin would have loved to make a martyr of the guy by killing him.................

There's video of him the day before talking to lawyers, looked fine.

I exclude nothing, however Occam's razor is usually correct. His safety was the responsibility of Russia.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 17 Feb 24 5.16pm
Originally posted by beak [Link] The West must respond by doubling Ukranian aid and allowing the Ukraine to attack military targets in Russia. If you're that passionate about taking the Russians on I can drive you to Uzhhorod. Good luck fella The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 17 Feb 24 5.16pm

Originally posted by beak

[Link] The West must respond by doubling Ukranian aid and allowing the Ukraine to attack military targets in Russia.

If you're that passionate about taking the Russians on I can drive you to Uzhhorod.

Good luck fella

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Matov 17 Feb 24 5.37pm
Originally posted by snytaxx Still plenty of good news from the front regarding avdiivka. Something to push out those awkward questions on Navalny away from the headlines. LOL. Its weird. There Russia is, about to achieve a victory, and they decide to kill this man so that nobody would read about it. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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17 Feb 24 5.37pm

Originally posted by snytaxx

Still plenty of good news from the front regarding avdiivka. Something to push out those awkward questions on Navalny away from the headlines.

LOL. Its weird. There Russia is, about to achieve a victory, and they decide to kill this man so that nobody would read about it.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 17 Feb 24 5.47pm
Genuinely surprised people are shocked they're offing political prisoners when Russia has no problems at all killing enemies of the state abroad. Russia does what it wants. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 17 Feb 24 5.47pm

Genuinely surprised people are shocked they're offing political prisoners when Russia has no problems at all killing enemies of the state abroad.

Russia does what it wants.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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snytaxx London 17 Feb 24 9.48pm
Originally posted by Matov LOL. Its weird. There Russia is, about to achieve a victory, and they decide to kill this man so that nobody would read about it. To be honest I don't think the timing matters as much to Putin. Navalny dying is an own goal internationally but at this point Russia has bungled it's invasion so badly that it's not really going to matter in the grand scheme of things in terms of optics. Russian TV will simply ignore, spin and downplay the story while saying how victory in Adviivka means it's only a matter of time. If you (plural) are intentionally or unintentionally doing Russia's bidding by propagating russian talking points and pushing against support to Ukraine before Navalny died, it's likely you (again plural) will still keep doing it. I.e. everyone seems to have already picked a side internationally. It's also possible the guy genuinely did just die, even if that is unlikely. In which case the whole question of timing is irrelevant.
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London 17 Feb 24 9.48pm

Originally posted by Matov

LOL. Its weird. There Russia is, about to achieve a victory, and they decide to kill this man so that nobody would read about it.

To be honest I don't think the timing matters as much to Putin. Navalny dying is an own goal internationally but at this point Russia has bungled it's invasion so badly that it's not really going to matter in the grand scheme of things in terms of optics.

Russian TV will simply ignore, spin and downplay the story while saying how victory in Adviivka means it's only a matter of time.

If you (plural) are intentionally or unintentionally doing Russia's bidding by propagating russian talking points and pushing against support to Ukraine before Navalny died, it's likely you (again plural) will still keep doing it. I.e. everyone seems to have already picked a side internationally.

It's also possible the guy genuinely did just die, even if that is unlikely. In which case the whole question of timing is irrelevant.

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Matov 18 Feb 24 8.09am
Originally posted by snytaxx It's also possible the guy genuinely did just die, even if that is unlikely. In which case the whole question of timing is irrelevant. Rule 1 of this Geo-politics malarkey. There are no coincidences. Somebody decided this guy's time was up. Question is was it Moscow or somewhere much further West. I see zero upside for this to be Putin. But as a way of diverting attention from what seems to be a developing negative situation for Ukraine on the battlefield, then job done. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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18 Feb 24 8.09am

Originally posted by snytaxx

It's also possible the guy genuinely did just die, even if that is unlikely. In which case the whole question of timing is irrelevant.

Rule 1 of this Geo-politics malarkey. There are no coincidences. Somebody decided this guy's time was up. Question is was it Moscow or somewhere much further West.

I see zero upside for this to be Putin. But as a way of diverting attention from what seems to be a developing negative situation for Ukraine on the battlefield, then job done.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Feb 24 8.22am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Genuinely surprised people are shocked they're offing political prisoners when Russia has no problems at all killing enemies of the state abroad. Russia does what it wants. Exactly, when Putin murdered Alexander Litvinenko the FSB could have used any number of untraceable poisons or simply staged an accident. Instead they used radioactive Polonium which was easily traceable back to the BA flight from Moscow. Putin was sending a message to his enemies I can kill you anywhere anytime and I don't give a damn if people know this. One more point
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Beckenham 18 Feb 24 8.22am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Genuinely surprised people are shocked they're offing political prisoners when Russia has no problems at all killing enemies of the state abroad.

Russia does what it wants.

Exactly, when Putin murdered Alexander Litvinenko the FSB could have used any number of untraceable poisons or simply staged an accident. Instead they used radioactive Polonium which was easily traceable back to the BA flight from Moscow.

Putin was sending a message to his enemies I can kill you anywhere anytime and I don't give a damn if people know this.

One more point

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snytaxx London 18 Feb 24 9.05am
Originally posted by Matov Rule 1 of this Geo-politics malarkey. There are no coincidences. Somebody decided this guy's time was up. Question is was it Moscow or somewhere much further West. I see zero upside for this to be Putin. But as a way of diverting attention from what seems to be a developing negative situation for Ukraine on the battlefield, then job done. The case for it (assuming it was foul play) being 'the west' makes zero sense for the following reasons. 1. Why risk Navalny, you could pick another russian dissident like Kasparov who'd be easier to dispatch? 2. The supposed reward (headlines in the west) aren't going to increase support for Ukraine, as mentioned it's likely most people have already chosen their side. 3. If the west really wanted to help Ukraine in a more tangible way they'd pull their finger out and actually commit more ammo and equipment rather than the trickle which Ukraine has been recieving. Before anyone comes back about the supposed 'billions sent to Ukraine'. We've provided less than 5% of our defence budget each year and most of this in previously purchased assets. It's a trickle. Putin doesn't care what the headlines or the optics look like in the UK.
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London 18 Feb 24 9.05am

Originally posted by Matov

Rule 1 of this Geo-politics malarkey. There are no coincidences. Somebody decided this guy's time was up. Question is was it Moscow or somewhere much further West.

I see zero upside for this to be Putin. But as a way of diverting attention from what seems to be a developing negative situation for Ukraine on the battlefield, then job done.

The case for it (assuming it was foul play) being 'the west' makes zero sense for the following reasons.

1. Why risk Navalny, you could pick another russian dissident like Kasparov who'd be easier to dispatch?
2. The supposed reward (headlines in the west) aren't going to increase support for Ukraine, as mentioned it's likely most people have already chosen their side.
3. If the west really wanted to help Ukraine in a more tangible way they'd pull their finger out and actually commit more ammo and equipment rather than the trickle which Ukraine has been recieving. Before anyone comes back about the supposed 'billions sent to Ukraine'. We've provided less than 5% of our defence budget each year and most of this in previously purchased assets. It's a trickle. Putin doesn't care what the headlines or the optics look like in the UK.

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beak croydon 18 Feb 24 10.09am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan If you're that passionate about taking the Russians on I can drive you to Uzhhorod. Good luck fella I typed AID which obviously doesn't include Western /NATO troops,in fact we are forbidden from entering the war.The thought of Putin winning means he will go further ultimately Calais.
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croydon 18 Feb 24 10.09am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

If you're that passionate about taking the Russians on I can drive you to Uzhhorod.

Good luck fella

I typed AID which obviously doesn't include Western /NATO troops,in fact we are forbidden from entering the war.The thought of Putin winning means he will go further ultimately Calais.

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