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The groover Danbury 16 Feb 24 2.41pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Yes, they are. This current government have handled the unions appallingly and overseen a major resurgence in unionism. Immigration is as much an 'issue' now as it was under Blair. We are economically worse off now than we were under Brown. We are on our 6th Tory PM in 5 years, each with a nice flip and a flop in policy and direction of travel. You cling onto decade old Labour examples of failures, whilst sticking your fingers in your ears about the very current failings of the Conservatives. This obsession with a hypothetical Labour government, whilst we live through objectively one of the worst governments we have ever had, is just nonsense. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (16 Feb 2024 2.28pm) So when Gordon Brown gave tax relief on Pension payments, but said that he would have to tax pensions when we took them. Causing UK stock markets to surge and then when he decided to claw all that tax back, causing a stock market crash that was credible was it! It was incompetence pure and simple. He also left in place taxation on pensions when we take them which was never reversed. Sorry but I voted labour when I was 18. Income tax went up to 33% and NI went up as well. I was an apprentice with a young family and all the promises about looking after the poorest were just BS. Never again. I missed out car drivers being hit hard as well.
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Danbury 16 Feb 24 2.41pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Yes, they are.

This current government have handled the unions appallingly and overseen a major resurgence in unionism.
Immigration is as much an 'issue' now as it was under Blair.
We are economically worse off now than we were under Brown.

We are on our 6th Tory PM in 5 years, each with a nice flip and a flop in policy and direction of travel.

You cling onto decade old Labour examples of failures, whilst sticking your fingers in your ears about the very current failings of the Conservatives.

This obsession with a hypothetical Labour government, whilst we live through objectively one of the worst governments we have ever had, is just nonsense.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (16 Feb 2024 2.28pm)

So when Gordon Brown gave tax relief on Pension payments, but said that he would have to tax pensions when we took them. Causing UK stock markets to surge and then when he decided to claw all that tax back, causing a stock market crash that was credible was it! It was incompetence pure and simple. He also left in place taxation on pensions when we take them which was never reversed.

Sorry but I voted labour when I was 18. Income tax went up to 33% and NI went up as well. I was an apprentice with a young family and all the promises about looking after the poorest were just BS. Never again.

I missed out car drivers being hit hard as well.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Feb 24 2.54pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The current government has stood up to unions. They didn't sign off the policy to massively increase immigration. We are struggling economically because of COVID and other global factors. The Tories have been a big disappointment in actually being conservative, but Labour have always been a disaster, which is why they have spent so little time in power, a good chunk of that as a minority government, and usually get booted out as quickly as possible. Only Blair's Tory light party lasted a long period with a majority. They’ve stood up to unions and now we have 100,000+ public sector vacancies, and absolutely nothing state-run functions as it should. And still the strikes continue. They’ve done little to bring immigration down. Ah of course, there are no other global factors when Labour have been in power. The reason they have spent so little time in government is a combination of our flawed voting system and a media monopoly with far too much influence - Murdoch is ‘kingmaker’ in this country.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The current government has stood up to unions.
They didn't sign off the policy to massively increase immigration.
We are struggling economically because of COVID and other global factors.
The Tories have been a big disappointment in actually being conservative, but Labour have always been a disaster, which is why they have spent so little time in power, a good chunk of that as a minority government, and usually get booted out as quickly as possible.

Only Blair's Tory light party lasted a long period with a majority.

They’ve stood up to unions and now we have 100,000+ public sector vacancies, and absolutely nothing state-run functions as it should. And still the strikes continue.

They’ve done little to bring immigration down.

Ah of course, there are no other global factors when Labour have been in power.

The reason they have spent so little time in government is a combination of our flawed voting system and a media monopoly with far too much influence - Murdoch is ‘kingmaker’ in this country.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Feb 24 2.57pm
Originally posted by The groover So when Gordon Brown gave tax relief on Pension payments, but said that he would have to tax pensions when we took them. Causing UK stock markets to surge and then when he decided to claw all that tax back, causing a stock market crash that was credible was it! It was incompetence pure and simple. He also left in place taxation on pensions when we take them which was never reversed. Sorry but I voted labour when I was 18. Income tax went up to 33% and NI went up as well. I was an apprentice with a young family and all the promises about looking after the poorest were just BS. Never again. I missed out car drivers being hit hard as well. Sorry but you’re quite literally proving my point - you’re clinging onto examples of government incompetence from decades ago as more relevant than the very government incompetence we are living through currently. This is the most incompetent government we have ever had.
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SE19 16 Feb 24 2.57pm

Originally posted by The groover

I missed out car drivers being hit hard as well.

Sorry but you’re quite literally proving my point - you’re clinging onto examples of government incompetence from decades ago as more relevant than the very government incompetence we are living through currently.

This is the most incompetent government we have ever had.

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Feb 24 2.59pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow They’ve stood up to unions and now we have 100,000+ public sector vacancies, and absolutely nothing state-run functions as it should. And still the strikes continue. They’ve done little to bring immigration down. Ah of course, there are no other global factors when Labour have been in power. The reason they have spent so little time in government is a combination of our flawed voting system and a media monopoly with far too much influence - Murdoch is ‘kingmaker’ in this country. That seals it. You really are deluded.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

They’ve stood up to unions and now we have 100,000+ public sector vacancies, and absolutely nothing state-run functions as it should. And still the strikes continue.

They’ve done little to bring immigration down.

Ah of course, there are no other global factors when Labour have been in power.

The reason they have spent so little time in government is a combination of our flawed voting system and a media monopoly with far too much influence - Murdoch is ‘kingmaker’ in this country.

That seals it. You really are deluded.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Feb 24 3.10pm
We could be living in a barren wasteland, mass homelessness and unemployment, the country starving on rations as the rule of law breaks down… and some boomer would still be sat there saying ‘can you imagine it was Labour!?’
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SE19 16 Feb 24 3.10pm

We could be living in a barren wasteland, mass homelessness and unemployment, the country starving on rations as the rule of law breaks down… and some boomer would still be sat there saying ‘can you imagine it was Labour!?’

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Stirlingsays 16 Feb 24 3.29pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow We could be living in a barren wasteland, mass homelessness and unemployment, the country starving on rations as the rule of law breaks down… and some boomer would still be sat there saying ‘can you imagine it was Labour!?’ Are you describing Tower Hamlets? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Feb 24 3.29pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Are you describing Tower Hamlets?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Feb 24 4.07pm
The tories have busted Britain. 'If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it is a duck'.
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Croydon 16 Feb 24 4.07pm

The tories have busted Britain.

'If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it is a duck'.

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JRW2 Dulwich 16 Feb 24 4.08pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow They’ve stood up to unions and now we have 100,000+ public sector vacancies, and absolutely nothing state-run functions as it should. And still the strikes continue. 'twas ever thus.
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Dulwich 16 Feb 24 4.08pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

They’ve stood up to unions and now we have 100,000+ public sector vacancies, and absolutely nothing state-run functions as it should. And still the strikes continue.

'twas ever thus.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 16 Feb 24 4.09pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow We could be living in a barren wasteland, mass homelessness and unemployment, the country starving on rations as the rule of law breaks down… and some boomer would still be sat there saying ‘can you imagine it was Labour!?’ You understand a huge part of the electorate. No amount of rational discussion will ever make them change their political flag, I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

You understand a huge part of the electorate. No amount of rational discussion will ever make them change their political flag,

I disengage, I turn the page.

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The groover Danbury 16 Feb 24 4.22pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Sorry but you’re quite literally proving my point - you’re clinging onto examples of government incompetence from decades ago as more relevant than the very government incompetence we are living through currently. This is the most incompetent government we have ever had. Never said this lot aren't incompetent but better the devil you know than one you are pretty sure will be worse.
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The groover

Danbury 16 Feb 24 4.22pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

This is the most incompetent government we have ever had.

Never said this lot aren't incompetent but better the devil you know than one you are pretty sure will be worse.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Feb 24 4.41pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Sorry but you’re quite literally proving my point - you’re clinging onto examples of government incompetence from decades ago as more relevant than the very government incompetence we are living through currently. This is the most incompetent government we have ever had. So labour won’t be labour this time round and a change is as good as a rest. The younger voters have only experienced conservatives and have some mad want to feel socialism light. Well fill your boots and when you realise how crap it is you will wonder why you did not listen to experience.
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The garden of England 16 Feb 24 4.41pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

This is the most incompetent government we have ever had.

So labour won’t be labour this time round and a change is as good as a rest.
The younger voters have only experienced conservatives and have some mad want to feel socialism light. Well fill your boots and when you realise how crap it is you will wonder why you did not listen to experience.

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The groover Danbury 16 Feb 24 4.52pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The tories have busted Britain. 'If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it is a duck'. UK debt as a percentage of GDP sky rocketed from 35% to 75% in the final two years of the last labour government. It can't just be turned off like a tap. Without covid and the additional financial issues that caused, the UK would be sitting pretty. In 2018 the uk borrowed £50b in 2019 £68b in 2020 it was £330b. There is your issue. Or you could do the 3 monkeys and pretend covid never happened. Without covid UK debt v GDP would be around 60%. Your statement is incorrect. [Link]
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Danbury 16 Feb 24 4.52pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The tories have busted Britain.

'If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it is a duck'.

UK debt as a percentage of GDP sky rocketed from 35% to 75% in the final two years of the last labour government. It can't just be turned off like a tap. Without covid and the additional financial issues that caused, the UK would be sitting pretty.

In 2018 the uk borrowed £50b in 2019 £68b in 2020 it was £330b. There is your issue. Or you could do the 3 monkeys and pretend covid never happened.

Without covid UK debt v GDP would be around 60%.

Your statement is incorrect.

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