Alternatively arrest anyone who breaks the law regardless of their background.

Way back in the grooming thread you said it was irrelevant if the groomers were Asian, black or blue. A criminal is a criminal. In its literal sense yes, but tbh that ship sailed and these are proven and proving to be , by a huge amount muslim men and women. All aware and taking part. Certain crimes need certain identifiers.
It’s a bit rich for these people to want assistance from the public when the public around these scum approve of it due to a loyalty to Islam and its rules.

It’s outcomes that matter and not the sensitivities of individuals. I am quite sure that the police when told of a grooming event involving young girls being given alcohol and drugs in a flat above a fast food shop won’t start looking for the perpetrators in Harrods. That’s not the point though. It is to find ways to get the bulk of the Muslim community on the side of law and order and prepared to give up the evil among them. It’s not a loyalty to Islam that’s involved but the belief that their whole community is being tarred with the same brush and considered complicit. Which they then become through their silence.

That circle needs to be broken and it won’t be unless we break it.

I am not making excuses for anything. It’s this kind of misrepresentation of my approach which is truly disgusting. So, for the avoidance of any doubt, let me state it again.

Those who groom vulnerable children and exploit them for sexual purposes are the worst kind of criminals. They need to be found, prosecuted and locked away from society for as long as it takes to ensure that not only they cannot reoffend but others are deterred from anything similar. If that means they must spend the rest of their life locked up so be it. If it requires chemical castration so be it.

That’s the outcome I seek. The only point of difference I think exists is how that outcome is best achieved. The police cannot work in isolation. They need the active support of the community to report crimes and identify criminals. Ostracising whole sections of the community by asserting they are guilty by association cannot help the police. We need the Muslim community to be on the side of truth and justice and not driven to close ranks in self protection.

That’s why I criticise the likes of Yaxley-Lennon who is a rabble rouser and not someone seriously concerned with the issue. Sections of the tabloid press are as bad. These all make things worse, rather than better.

So I have more sympathy for the police than some do. Not only do they have to deal with this whilst being under resourced, they also have to try to contain negative influences like Y-L , whilst getting little to no support from a suspicious community and being pilloried in the tabloid press.

If individual officers failed to do their duty then they should be disciplined. If there was much more than that which failed, as I think is the case, then it needs to be identified and rectified.

That several police forces appear to have adopted identical strategies suggests to me that they were working to instructions. Instructions that might have been issued for the best of intentions but, with experience, have been shown wanting.

Ensuring a cultural change must be the ultimate aim. We cannot just lock people up for ever, let alone tolerate the behaviour that causes it. It has to be done. There is no other choice, so defeatism is not an option. I am optimistic that it can be done, so long as we remain determined and uncompromising in what is expected. There are already many good and hardworking people in the UK who consider themselves to be Muslim. We need to get them to take the lead in helping solve this kind of issue.

It’s why I believe it needs to start with removing all religious influences in schools and ensuring no school has a dominant faith group present in any capacity. We need to teach every child our values and ensure they all experience people from many backgrounds.

Good post - the relationship between our 'free' press and our politicians is one of the fundamental reasons our democracy is so f***ed.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (16 Jan 2024 11.25am)

Yes, democracy is largely a lie and what gets sold to people is really just a form of elite control.

The Swiss probably run the most democratic system.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jan 2024 11.39am)