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Putitout Oxford 12 Dec 23 12.32pm | |
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Hodgson, has actually given chances to young players , only a couple have come off. It’s that simple. Remember a kid called Perick ,or something similar , a couple of seasons back. Does anyone know if he still plays at any level?
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taylors lovechild 12 Dec 23 12.41pm | |
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Ozoh certainly looks to be pushing for more time with the first-team. He stands out in the U21s for his build and athleticism and looked solid in preseason. The fact he came on against Liverpool speaks volumes given the game wasn't lost. You do wonder how many gaps there will be to fill in the team come Saturday.
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southnorwoodhill 12 Dec 23 12.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
There are some who have considered the possibility of Mr Hodgson not being at the helm in January if results in December,as expected, are somewhat dire. It'll be Gareth Southgate, in the Championship, with the Academy kids
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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 23 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
It'll be Gareth Southgate, in the Championship, with the Academy kids Damn I had Colonel Mustard in the Library with the dagger.
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TheBigToePunt 13 Dec 23 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Hodgson, has actually given chances to young players , only a couple have come off. It’s that simple. Remember a kid called Perick ,or something similar , a couple of seasons back. Does anyone know if he still plays at any level?
Spot on. The simple fact is that very few people are good enough to be professional footballers, and very few of them are good enough to play in the top flight. If filling squad vacancies was as simple as just giving kids a chance then the club would force it upon the manager as part of the contract. When the people who have spent a fortune, a load of time and almost all their energy on the academy, and shouted from the hilltops about it, are also in charge of the manager's terms of employment, they wouldn't stand back and do nothing if they felt he was blocking players who were good enough. I would struggle to name a single player to leave Palace's youth system and go on to prove the club wrong.
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monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 13 Dec 23 12.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Hodgson, has actually given chances to young players , only a couple have come off. It’s that simple. Remember a kid called Perick ,or something similar , a couple of seasons back. Does anyone know if he still plays at any level?
Brandon Pierrick, I saw him come on as sub New Year’s Day up at Norwich about 4 years ago now, for his debut, he was at Dover Athletic last season and I believe he’s at Croydon Athletic now. I’ve been saying for years, some of our fans keep banging on about giving youth a chance, well the truth is most of them are just not good enough and end up lower down the leagues or at non league level
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dreamwaverider London 13 Dec 23 12.44pm | |
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I am no expert on football ability, but when you come across a winner you can normally see it straight away. The first time I saw Olise for us he scored after about 10 minutes coming on and some of his touches made me think he was real quality.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Dec 23 12.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
There are some who have considered the possibility of Mr Hodgson not being at the helm in January if results in December,as expected, are somewhat dire. We wouldn't sack a manager for not getting results given a really tough run of fixtures would we ?
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Dec 23 1.11pm | |
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Originally posted by monkey
Brandon Pierrick, I saw him come on as sub New Year’s Day up at Norwich about 4 years ago now, for his debut, he was at Dover Athletic last season and I believe he’s at Croydon Athletic now. I’ve been saying for years, some of our fans keep banging on about giving youth a chance, well the truth is most of them are just not good enough and end up lower down the leagues or at non league level
Yes and yep. I think it somewhat a mere desperate fantasy that we have an academy filled with Zahas and Zidanes, they're just not being given the chance. I understand this desperation, especially when we have one of our frequent spells of not winning for a given amount of time, but the truth remains that very few in any of these will ever play in the top flight or at any reasonable level, for good reason. It's a very romantic notion, a kid from the academy making his debut, scoring a hattrick and turning out to be one of the best players in the world. The reality is very different however and that's what the manager has to contend with.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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TheBigToePunt 13 Dec 23 1.49pm | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
I am no expert on football ability, but when you come across a winner you can normally see it straight away. The first time I saw Olise for us he scored after about 10 minutes coming on and some of his touches made me think he was real quality. I think you are correct that quality usually stands out quickly. On one hand, Olise and AWB are more or less champions-league standard players, so comparing a youth-team graduate to them might be a bit unfair, but on the other, it does give us a barometer because they were both good enough to get in our side and stay there at a young age. Mitchell was less of an obvious star (still isn't) but he does the job in the top flight, so has probably saved us £10-20m, which I think we would have to spend on a top-flight English defender his age. I wasn't there to see Ward make his Pompey debut either, but the interesting thing about him is that he had time to develop at a lower level, before building his career up in stages to be an established top-flight player. Youth team graduates at Palace don't get to do that really, the loan system isn't quite the same thing as earning your corn in a League 1 team, then getting bought by a Championship side, then helping them to promotion, then staying up etc. It's quite possible that a 19-year-old Ward doesn't get a chance at Palace. Maybe the same is true of any of our established senior players apart from those who happened to be stand-out youngsters.
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dreamwaverider London 13 Dec 23 2.12pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
I think you are correct that quality usually stands out quickly. On one hand, Olise and AWB are more or less champions-league standard players, so comparing a youth-team graduate to them might be a bit unfair, but on the other, it does give us a barometer because they were both good enough to get in our side and stay there at a young age. Mitchell was less of an obvious star (still isn't) but he does the job in the top flight, so has probably saved us £10-20m, which I think we would have to spend on a top-flight English defender his age. I wasn't there to see Ward make his Pompey debut either, but the interesting thing about him is that he had time to develop at a lower level, before building his career up in stages to be an established top-flight player. Youth team graduates at Palace don't get to do that really, the loan system isn't quite the same thing as earning your corn in a League 1 team, then getting bought by a Championship side, then helping them to promotion, then staying up etc. It's quite possible that a 19-year-old Ward doesn't get a chance at Palace. Maybe the same is true of any of our established senior players apart from those who happened to be stand-out youngsters.
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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Dec 23 2.21pm | |
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I try not to criticise Parish but I do think he over hypes the Academy. Yes it's important to have one and it would be great to have a conveyor belt of talent but the truth is that most will never make it as full time professionals let alone in the PL. So when we see much talked about youngsters not getting a chance it's not because Roy is anti youth but simply they are not as good as the PR coming from the club would have us believe. If I was Parish I would tone down the hype until a young player breaks through.
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