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YT Oxford 31 Oct 23 12.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Davepalace707
Question - which is most likely? 1. A finished new main stand You might as well ask: Which is more likely? 1. Me winning the Euromillions on Friday
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CrazyBadger Ware 31 Oct 23 2.09pm | |
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Originally posted by YT
You might as well ask: Which is more likely? 1. Me winning the Euromillions on Friday you're quite right, A Threesome with those two is much More likely to happen on a Saturday
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TheBigToePunt 31 Oct 23 2.39pm | |
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I don't think it is possible to piece together the club's transfer 'strategy' from the list of players we signed, or even from the list of positions where an upgrade was not signed. We would need to see the list of players the club enquired about and/or tried to sign but ultimately did not, the proportion of our budget we were prepared to commit to the fee and wages, plus understand the reason each of those deals did not progress in order to understand the club's priorities. We don't have that information, and never will. None of us know if the club, for example, went hell-for-leather in pursuit of a new right-back only for that player to get a better offer at the last minute. Or if we were in advanced talks with two right backs, one as backup to the other. Or three. Or ten, only for all of them to knock us back, or ask for silly money, or move somewhere else, or get injured. The absence of a new right-back alone tells you nothing about what the club wanted to do, tried to do, how hard they tried etc. The best we can see is general trends over the medium term. It seems evident that, generally speaking, we have moved from spending money we don't really have on established top-flight players with European experience (Cabeye, Sakho, Benteke, PVA etc) to having no money to spend (the original Roy years) to signing young players with potential sell-on value that will have to be sold sooner or later (Olise, Eze, Dacoure, Guehi etc). Outside of overall trends, an opportunity to sign someone might be attractive for any number of reasons. Like most, I've no idea why we signed Henderson, for instance, but then I don't work at the club in a senior position. Maybe Johnstone wants to leave. Maybe the club think one or other goalie can be sold at a profit somewhere down the road. Maybe they just feel that, following Guiata's tantrum, having two top-class keepers is essential and couldn't get a cheaper one. Christ knows. One thing is for sure though, the thought process will not be the same as that which led to the signing of Lerma, which in turn will not be the same as the thinking behind signing Franca. Each deal will have its own set of circumstances, and may or may not adhere to the general trend. Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Oct 2023 2.46pm)
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Eaglecoops CR3 31 Oct 23 3.03pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
I don't think it is possible to piece together the club's transfer 'strategy' from the list of players we signed, or even from the list of positions where an upgrade was not signed. We would need to see the list of players the club enquired about and/or tried to sign but ultimately did not, the proportion of our budget we were prepared to commit to the fee and wages, plus understand the reason each of those deals did not progress in order to understand the club's priorities. We don't have that information, and never will. None of us know if the club, for example, went hell-for-leather in pursuit of a new right-back only for that player to get a better offer at the last minute. Or if we were in advanced talks with two right backs, one as backup to the other. Or three. Or ten, only for all of them to knock us back, or ask for silly money, or move somewhere else, or get injured. The absence of a new right-back alone tells you nothing about what the club wanted to do, tried to do, how hard they tried etc. The best we can see is general trends over the medium term. It seems evident that, generally speaking, we have moved from spending money we don't really have on established top-flight players with European experience (Cabeye, Sakho, Benteke, PVA etc) to having no money to spend (the original Roy years) to signing young players with potential sell-on value that will have to be sold sooner or later (Olise, Eze, Dacoure, Guehi etc). Outside of overall trends, an opportunity to sign someone might be attractive for any number of reasons. Like most, I've no idea why we signed Henderson, for instance, but then I don't work at the club in a senior position. Maybe Johnstone wants to leave. Maybe the club think one or other goalie can be sold at a profit somewhere down the road. Maybe they just feel that, following Guiata's tantrum, having two top-class keepers is essential and couldn't get a cheaper one. Christ knows. One thing is for sure though, the thought process will not be the same as that which led to the signing of Lerma, which in turn will not be the same as the thinking behind signing Franca. Each deal will have its own set of circumstances, and may or may not adhere to the general trend. Edited by TheBigToePunt (31 Oct 2023 2.46pm) You are right, we don’t know what didn’t occur, but we all know pretty well what actually occurred at the last window and at the previous window and the one before that, ad nauseum. I think we have had 5 possibly 6 windows now in which we have been looking at a RB replacement. Why we haven’t bought Walker-Peters is a bit of a mystery. He would have been perfect for us.
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TheBigToePunt 31 Oct 23 4.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
You are right, we don’t know what didn’t occur, but we all know pretty well what actually occurred at the last window and at the previous window and the one before that, ad nauseum. I think we have had 5 possibly 6 windows now in which we have been looking at a RB replacement. Why we haven’t bought Walker-Peters is a bit of a mystery. He would have been perfect for us.
Maybe we did bid for Walker-Peters but were outbid by Southampton, or he wanted to leave London, or they offered more in wages, or he fancied his chances of being first choice for them more than for us. Maybe the club didn't think much of him (I personally don't). Who knows? Either way, if we are looking for players that were seemingly feasible signings you can take Walker-Peters and times him by at least a hundred over the last few years I'd guess. Each will have a story of its own that we will never know.
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beak croydon 31 Oct 23 4.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
So Sorloth, Mateta, Meyer, to name but 3 of a long list was thinking long term? They do make mistakes you know and spunking £40+million on an injury prone keeper and an unproven youngster could prove to be the latest in a long list. If they come good then great, but you can’t call taking a chance, thinking for the future. It’s not like they came to us free of charge. I think you will also find that the large majority of CEO’s are the most short termist people you’ve ever come across. Parish has £200 million he must have done something right surely.
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beak croydon 31 Oct 23 4.53pm | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
you're quite right, A Threesome with those two is much More likely to happen on a Saturday Well,your mistake is your nomenclature, the Crazy frog (a much better moniker) has defo done number two.
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southnorwoodhill 31 Oct 23 6.11pm | |
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Allegedly Roy is here for this season only. Why therefore would Parish and Co sanction transfer funds in January knowing that there will be a different manager next season, probably with a different tactical outlook?
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pssguy 31 Oct 23 6.18pm | |
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Originally posted by beak
Parish like most good businessmen is thinking long term,most fans think very short term and thus it will ever be. Tomkins and Clyne extensions suggest you are wrong
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Oct 23 7.33pm | |
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Originally posted by pssguy
Tomkins and Clyne extensions suggest you are wrong
Edited by doombear (31 Oct 2023 7.34pm)
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 31 Oct 23 8.45pm | |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
Allegedly Roy is here for this season only. Why therefore would Parish and Co sanction transfer funds in January knowing that there will be a different manager next season, probably with a different tactical outlook?
It will be Paddy and Ray so no difference really-
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southnorwoodhill 01 Nov 23 7.47am | |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
It will be Paddy and Ray so no difference really- If so I envisage relegation in a season or two. My reasoning is based partly on Paddy's lack of experience at this level, but mainly on the players available. Edited by southnorwoodhill (01 Nov 2023 8.31am)
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