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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 17 Sep 23 7.28am | |
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Time taken to bring accusations. I am no fan of Brand. but this is absolutely disgraceful that people can publicly air such accusations with not a sniff of court proceedings.
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YT Oxford 17 Sep 23 7.55am | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Another " celeb " unmasked.....' by becky I had no interest in watching the programme, so excuse any naivety on my part, but if Brand raped or sexually assaulted someone, why didn't they go to the police at the time rather than waiting years to talk to Channel 4? Was that covered? Also, is Mason Greenwood's lawyer free?
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Spiderman Horsham 17 Sep 23 8.15am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Time taken to bring accusations. I am no fan of Brand. but this is absolutely disgraceful that people can publicly air such accusations with not a sniff of court proceedings. Totally agree. I spent the whole 90 minutes waiting for the bombshell!
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Spiderman Horsham 17 Sep 23 8.20am | |
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Originally posted by YT
I had no interest in watching the programme, so excuse any naivety on my part, but if Brand raped or sexually assaulted someone, why didn't they go to the police at the time rather than waiting years to talk to Channel 4? Was that covered? Also, is Mason Greenwood's lawyer free? The alleged rape victim was in the US. She had been seeing Brand for a while. She did mit report it as she was “scared” but admitted he had never acted badly previously. Only evidence was a message apologising for his behaviour ( could have been anything).
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georgenorman 17 Sep 23 8.39am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
The alleged rape victim was in the US. She had been seeing Brand for a while. She did mit report it as she was “scared” but admitted he had never acted badly previously. Only evidence was a message apologising for his behaviour ( could have been anything). She received help at a rape crisis centre on the same day as the incident. I won't be losing too much sleep over the coverage of degenerates like Brand.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 17 Sep 23 9.00am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
She received help at a rape crisis centre on the same day as the incident. I won't be losing too much sleep over the coverage of degenerates like Brand. The TV license fee is the Rape that gets us all.
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Badger11 Beckenham 17 Sep 23 9.18am | |
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I didn't watch the programme but I've seen enough of the papers to get the gist of the allegations. At the moment a number of unnamed women have made serious allegations but not to the police err that's it. One thing that is bugging me is how the media is reporting Brand's career as though he was a major star. I'll admit I never liked him so maybe my prejudice is showing through but I think they are totally over hyping it. He is a comedian famous for being famous. Most successful comedians e.g. Peter Kaye can point to sitcoms as well as stand up in which they have starred. As far as I can tell Brand has done stand up, TV and radio spots but nothing that warranted being called a major star. He went to Hollywood and bombed after a number of supporting roles and had to come back to England tail between his legs. He then moved from comedy to conspiracy and here I will defer to Stirlingsays expertise but frankly I don't care what he thinks about the Deep State, does anyone else? Anyway C4 has opened a can of worms which they need to back up with facts. I am not convinced that the deep state is trying to shut him up "cos he tells it like it is". He is not a threat just a man howling at the moon who others listen to. And he maybe right on a lot of what he says but then so is the man down the pub. I think the most likely explanation as to why C4 have gone after him is that he is an easy target due to his previous sleazy lifestyle. Edited by Badger11 (17 Sep 2023 10.04am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Sep 23 9.50am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
The alleged rape victim was in the US. She had been seeing Brand for a while. She did mit report it as she was “scared” but admitted he had never acted badly previously. Only evidence was a message apologising for his behaviour ( could have been anything). I am watching the programme now and am only 5 mins in and already can see that isn’t true. That there was consensual sex doesn’t mean that all the sex was consensual. That any woman didn’t pursue charges at the time but might now is only down to the way these things were regarded then and that the women have matured and acquired confidence. That some women were willing to participate with a self confessed sex addict doesn’t mean all were or that any were all of the time. I have always regarded Brand as a piece of s***e and nothing I have read about this story or seen surprises me. It’s pretty much what I would have expected from him. Nor is it any surprise that in today’s world these accusations are surfacing. They have against others and will for more. Accusations may ruin reputations but unless and until charges are made and convictions secured they remain just accusations. We will have to see whether charges follow. For me this changes nothing. Yet! Powerful people have exploited the impressionable and vulnerable since time began. Brand is just a particularly extreme and unpleasant example. The chickens may not be yet back in the roost but they are in the air and if this type of attitude is to be eradicated it must be exposed and condemned. Hopefully in a court. The supervision by the TV channels and the production companies is an entirely separate matter. Important nonetheless but unrelated directly to the accusations. I watched until the end, which included Brand’s denials. I found the statements by the various women much more compelling and convincing than those denials. Denials which appeared to me to suggest that Brand believes that if he believed consent was given then consent existed.
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YT Oxford 17 Sep 23 10.11am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I didn't watch the programme but I've seen enough of the papers to get the gist of the allegations. At the moment a number of unnamed women have made serious allegations but not to the police err that's it. One thing that is bugging me is how the media is reporting Brand's career as though he was a major star. I'll admit I never liked him so maybe my prejudice is showing through but I think they are totally over hyping it. He is a comedian famous for being famous. Most successful comedians e.g. Peter Kaye can point to sitcoms as well as stand up in which they have starred. As far as I can tell Brand has done stand up, TV and radio spots but nothing that warranted being called a major star. He went to Hollywood and bombed after a number of supporting roles and had to come back to England tail between his legs. He then moved from comedy to conspiracy and here I will defer to Stirlingsays expertise but frankly I don't care what he thinks about the Deep State, does anyone else? Anyway C4 has opened a can of worms which they need to back up with facts. I am not convinced that the deep state is trying to shut him up "cos he tells it like it is". He is not a threat just a man howling at the moon who others listen to. At he maybe right on a lot of what he says but then so is the man down the pub. I think the most likely explanation as to why C4 have gone after him is that he is an easy target due to his previous sleazy lifestyle. Good point, Badger. Apart from having delivered his groceries and been on the receiving end of his politeness (see above), I've only ever directly seen him in ONE thing, and that was by accident! I have, of course, been aware of all the 'stuff' surrounding him - his sacking by the BBC, his relationship with Katy Perry, his love of Jeremy Corbyn etc - but I couldn't have told you, until reading it today, anything that he's 'done' in his media career. Having said that, he lives in a bloody nice house that must be worth a few million, do he's obviously made some Dosh. The one thing I did see him in, I was 'channel hopping' and briefly encountered him doing something to do with 'Big Brother'. He was doing some kind of 'stand-up comedy summary' of the day's events, and in the 30 seconds or so I saw him, he managed to make a lewd comment about masturbation and another one about male ejaculate (aka 'spunk' in old money). I remember turning to Mrs YT and saying "television isn't what it used to be, dear".
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Sep 23 10.12am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am watching the programme now and am only 5 mins in and already can see that isn’t true. That there was consensual sex doesn’t mean that all the sex was consensual. That any woman didn’t pursue charges at the time but might now is only down to the way these things were regarded then and that the women have matured and acquired confidence. That some women were willing to participate with a self confessed sex addict doesn’t mean all were or that any were all of the time. I have always regarded Brand as a piece of s***e and nothing I have read about this story or seen surprises me. It’s pretty much what I would have expected from him. Nor is it any surprise that in today’s world these accusations are surfacing. They have against others and will for more. Accusations may ruin reputations but unless and until charges are made and convictions secured they remain just accusations. We will have to see whether charges follow. For me this changes nothing. Yet! Powerful people have exploited the impressionable and vulnerable since time began. Brand is just a particularly extreme and unpleasant example. The chickens may not be yet back in the roost but they are in the air and if this type of attitude is to be eradicated it must be exposed and condemned. Hopefully in a court. The supervision by the TV channels and the production companies is an entirely separate matter. Important nonetheless but unrelated directly to the accusations. I watched until the end, which included Brand’s denials. I found the statements by the various women much more compelling and convincing than those denials. Denials which appeared to me to suggest that Brand believes that if he believed consent was given then consent existed. He's bound to be guilty and the BBC employees aren't. Wrong views, wrong 'un.
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georgenorman 17 Sep 23 10.23am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am watching the programme now and am only 5 mins in and already can see that isn’t true. That there was consensual sex doesn’t mean that all the sex was consensual. That any woman didn’t pursue charges at the time but might now is only down to the way these things were regarded then and that the women have matured and acquired confidence. That some women were willing to participate with a self confessed sex addict doesn’t mean all were or that any were all of the time. I have always regarded Brand as a piece of s***e and nothing I have read about this story or seen surprises me. It’s pretty much what I would have expected from him. Nor is it any surprise that in today’s world these accusations are surfacing. They have against others and will for more. Accusations may ruin reputations but unless and until charges are made and convictions secured they remain just accusations. We will have to see whether charges follow. For me this changes nothing. Yet! Powerful people have exploited the impressionable and vulnerable since time began. Brand is just a particularly extreme and unpleasant example. The chickens may not be yet back in the roost but they are in the air and if this type of attitude is to be eradicated it must be exposed and condemned. Hopefully in a court. The supervision by the TV channels and the production companies is an entirely separate matter. Important nonetheless but unrelated directly to the accusations. I watched until the end, which included Brand’s denials. I found the statements by the various women much more compelling and convincing than those denials. Denials which appeared to me to suggest that Brand believes that if he believed consent was given then consent existed. To my great surprise, I find that I agree with practically everything you have said here. (However, this does against my dictum that if you are in doubt over an issue, see what Wisbech says and take the opposite view.)
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Badger11 Beckenham 17 Sep 23 10.33am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
He's bound to be guilty and the BBC employees aren't. Wrong views, wrong 'un. For a very long time some people have got away with appalling bad behaviour whether it is at the BBC or other forms of show business. It seems to have been the norm for certain untouchable people. However I think the oil tanker is slowly turning around and companies are now realising that the reputational damage for turning a blind eye is far more serious than losing a toxic star to another company because they are told their behaviour is unacceptable. BBC and now ITV have both been in the dock lately however this is actually a good sign as in the past it would have been covered up. I think that in the future it is far less likely that this bad behaviour will be ignored.
Edited by Badger11 (17 Sep 2023 10.34am)
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