'Normal'

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

I didn't say that... there's a difference between rating and or suggesting certain lifestyles or family make-ups (chosen or happenstance, either is irrelevant) are sub-optimal in an academic and objective setting, because logic and cold hard statistics would dictate some are less beneficial than others (even though it's not exactly an exact science to define outcomes here)

vs. treating those people as such, eg 'normal' vs 'everything else'

A very important nuance

Also re. reversal – in some ways everything can be reversed, technically, but realistically? Nope. No way. Even so what often gets left out here is that reversing may actually not be the best idea, it will come with its own negatives, some significant. Those have to be considered and factored in. It's not as simple as wind back = better.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

cyberbullying ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Sure, if that's what you call being corrected or countered effectively in a debate.

Stop trying to deflect

'Normal' = Your turn

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

I guess this is a fundamental area where we disagree.

I think it's in fact vitally important to tell young people what lifestyles statistically lead to the best outcomes. This in fact what many successful families do instinctively.

I think it's negligence for the state to give the impression...that all social lifestyles choices are equal when the outcomes of choices are laid bare in the statistics. I view it as also criminal to fund groups and NGOs that also do that.

This isn't academic it's stuff that can make the difference between success and failure, between choosing the crowd that helps to the crowd that ruins.

Of course you can argue about the metric of what success is....but again, I think that's pedantic as that doesn't seem to be an issue amongst the successful does it.

I think a more nuanced reality is that a reversal of sorts is better for some groups and not others.....just as our current reality is better for some than others.

Depending upon what you consider constitutes the best future for children.....rather than just ourselves should to the prime mover in that.

The meme that the left often like to use is that the right want to go back to the fifties, when in reality that's a strawman. We can only go back socially, we can't go back technologically.

As to how realistic that is.....I would probably agree with you. However, you don't tell the fat woman to put down the cake because you expect her to follow your advice. You tell her because it's the right thing to do for her future....she decides whether to eat it or not.

But you on the other hand did the right thing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jul 2023 6.31pm)

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