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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Jul 23 9.36pm | |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
I should have been clearer, it is not taxed, the point was about being taxed twice on assets or savings No I got your point I was just letting others know. You have to sign an additional form with your pension provider "your wishes" it's like a second will. If you don't and your actual will is complicated then a court might not follow your wishes regarding your pension. I didn't know this until recently.
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m/k mick milton keynes 16 Jul 23 10.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
No I got your point I was just letting others know. You have to sign an additional form with your pension provider "your wishes" it's like a second will. If you don't and your actual will is complicated then a court might not follow your wishes regarding your pension. I didn't know this until recently. On a mute point, if you are in a company scheme, it is the trustees of that fund who legally decide your beneficiary, but they obviously comply in almost all cases with your wishes, a judge would not have primacy over the trustees, I have no idea about Personal pension plans rules
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jul 23 8.27am | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
I think the reasoning is that the £7 billion would be spent in the economy by those who inherited it, rather than it being fed into the Government's tax intake, where it gets lost on various unnecessary schemes. I was in a branch of a local bank yesterday and overheard a bloke behind me talking to a staff member. He needed to transfer over £400kin tax to HMRC due to an inheritance tax bill. Now I appreciate that means he probably still had over £600k to play around with but an extra £400k in the economy wouldn't be a bad thing. Basically the public would be better at spending the money rather than the government, The problem with this theory is that the £7 billion would not necessarily be spent in our economy. Lots of it would find its way offshore, and not play any role in developing the UK.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 17 Jul 23 8.48am | |
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There are many existing "swerves" to avoid paying inheritance tax. This is the Government, perhaps admitting it is getting too tricky to catch people out, and perchance accountants are wising-up about how to lessen people's tax obligations. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Jul 2023 8.51am)
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georgenorman 17 Jul 23 8.53am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The problem with this theory is that the £7 billion would not necessarily be spent in our economy. Lots of it would find its way offshore, and not play any role in developing the UK. There is no reason to believe that that is case. Also the implication that the government would spend £7 billions to our advantage is hilariously optimistic.
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cryrst The garden of England 17 Jul 23 8.54am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The problem with this theory is that the £7 billion would not necessarily be spent in our economy. Lots of it would find its way offshore, and not play any role in developing the UK. The thing is though if you could gift any amount to your family or friends then the housing issue would get better. The environment would benefit as there would be money swishing around for cars and greener house upgrades. Spending would go up in the shops and tax take on it would probably garner at least 50% back. So it would probably only be a negative 3 billion or so. Going forwards it would likely get positive over time as not many would send a gift overseas in reality and even in a bank account hmg makes money. Give me the keys to 11 as I’ve sorted it
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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jul 23 3.45pm | |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Can you explain how assets such as a home, where it’s value has risen many times over has already been taxed, secondly the other main asset left after death is pension fund, contributions which were tax free, savings held in ISAs which have grown from re investment, tax free, so where is this taxed twice ?. You had to pay for that house with a mortgage, which was paid for by wages. Wages that were taxed. Savings were made using earned money that was taxed. Which part is hard to understand?
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JRW2 Dulwich 17 Jul 23 3.48pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Annual exemption You can give as many gifts of up to £250 per person as you want each tax year, as long as you have not used another allowance on the same person. If you make regular payments you can afford the payments after meeting your usual living costs For example, you can give your child a regular payment of £60 a month (a total of £720 a year) as well as using your annual exemption of £3,000 in the same tax year. I don't know whether I understand this fully. Looking at the 2 first paragraphs of the above edited version of cryrst's post, are "gifts" and "exemptions" two different things. Could someone, for example, make "gifts" of £250 a year to 10 people and still have his £3000 "exemption" available to give away as he saw fit? Then it seems that someone can in addition to the above make "regular payments" to another person. Does that mean only one person or any number? And is £720 a year a limit or just an example? No wonder Tolly's, the accountant's bible, runs to over 1000 pages. I think one of the Treasury's main aims must be to make tax law incomprehensible. Why not get rid of these footling allowances and the conditions and exclusions that surround them and just have one simple allowance? Or, preferably, get rid of the whole thing!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jul 23 4.30pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The thing is though if you could gift any amount to your family or friends then the housing issue would get better. The environment would benefit as there would be money swishing around for cars and greener house upgrades. Spending would go up in the shops and tax take on it would probably garner at least 50% back. So it would probably only be a negative 3 billion or so. Going forwards it would likely get positive over time as not many would send a gift overseas in reality and even in a bank account hmg makes money. Give me the keys to 11 as I’ve sorted it It’s not the gifts going overseas that would make a difference. They would be minimal. It’s where the investment would end up. Maybe your suggestion that it could be gifted to relatives, on the condition it was invested only in higher risk UK start up funds managed by government controlled schemes, would work. The government appears keen to direct pension fund investment in that direction.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jul 23 4.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You had to pay for that house with a mortgage, which was paid for by wages. Wages that were taxed. Savings were made using earned money that was taxed. Which part is hard to understand? I suspect house price inflation has far exceeded the costs of mortgages even allowing for the interest payments. I am sure someone can do the calculations.
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m/k mick milton keynes 17 Jul 23 4.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You had to pay for that house with a mortgage, which was paid for by wages. Wages that were taxed. Savings were made using earned money that was taxed. Which part is hard to understand? Some logic that, you have not addressed the increase in value, but I think it’s best to leave it at that, have a lie down
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cryrst The garden of England 17 Jul 23 5.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s not the gifts going overseas that would make a difference. They would be minimal. It’s where the investment would end up. Maybe your suggestion that it could be gifted to relatives, on the condition it was invested only in higher risk UK start up funds managed by government controlled schemes, would work. The government appears keen to direct pension fund investment in that direction. Please read it as literally as it’s written. Any amount to anyone. If you have offshore banking you probably don’t need gifts anyway. Give it to anyone 90% would spend it. That is taxed so hmg gets part of it back. Then more is gifted, more is spent and more is taxed. In the bigger picture of GDP of 2 trillion it’s a snip tbh.
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