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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 04 Jul 23 2.50pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

I cant help feeling underwhelmed and agree with the thread's title.

I know Roy is not a bad appointment, but it doesn't feel like long term strategic planning.

It would have felt better if he'd renewed before the end of thebseason. Being announced at the start of June, makes it look/feel like Parish was after other targets first.

But onwards and upwards to a top half finish

 

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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 04 Jul 23 2.57pm Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Didn't want him to stay on and was really hoping we'd bring in Potter.

However it's pointless complaining about it now. He'll be here until next summer and then, at a guess, the summer beyond that.

The only real question now is are we going to actually have a go at improving this summer a la 21/22 (Guehi, Andersen, Edouard, Olise, Hughes) or is going to be more like 20/21 where our only paid fees were for Eze and Butland?

Edited by Canterbury Palace (04 Jul 2023 2.58pm)

 


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Painter Flag Croydon 04 Jul 23 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I cant help feeling underwhelmed and agree with the thread's title.

I know Roy is not a bad appointment, but it doesn't feel like long term strategic planning.

It would have felt better if he'd renewed before the end of thebseason. Being announced at the start of June, makes it look/feel like Parish was after other targets first.

But onwards and upwards to a top half finish

The long term strategy is to build the new stand, relegation isn’t really an option for that to happen. So appointing Roy is fairly risk free and the players respect him, any other appointment would of had a large element of risk to be dragged into renegotiation.

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 04 Jul 23 3.30pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

The long term strategy is to build the new stand, relegation isn’t really an option for that to happen. So appointing Roy is fairly risk free and the players respect him, any other appointment would of had a large element of risk to be dragged into renegotiation.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but nothing is risk free. Watford appointed Roy hoping he'd keep them up.

Ultimately the feeling is around ambition. If the answer is that we've appointed Roy to cling onto the PL for 2 more season to finance the stand, that feels pretty meek.

We've got the most exciting nucleus of a team we've had for decades. Now is the time to back ourselves.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Jul 23 3.45pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but nothing is risk free. Watford appointed Roy hoping he'd keep them up.

Ultimately the feeling is around ambition. If the answer is that we've appointed Roy to cling onto the PL for 2 more season to finance the stand, that feels pretty meek.

We've got the most exciting nucleus of a team we've had for decades. Now is the time to back ourselves.

Of course nothing is risk free, so then you look at what you need to do to mitigate the risk. Watford is not a fair comparison, their players had mentally checked out before Roy got there.

I don’t know what you mean about “ backing ourselves “. I thought it was largely understood that financial circumstances mean that the course of action currently being taken by Parish makes the most sense.

It’s frustrating I know. We aren’t far off being a decent team with a few well chosen additions

 


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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 04 Jul 23 4.00pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Of course nothing is risk free, so then you look at what you need to do to mitigate the risk. Watford is not a fair comparison, their players had mentally checked out before Roy got there.

I don’t know what you mean about “ backing ourselves “. I thought it was largely understood that financial circumstances mean that the course of action currently being taken by Parish makes the most sense.

It’s frustrating I know. We aren’t far off being a decent team with a few well chosen additions

But without any real comms from the board, we are all guessing at what the plan might be and the financial circumstances.

All we see from the outside is an appointment which is safe at best and uninspiring at worst. We then all try to backfill as to the reasons why.

I know there isn't much in the way of comms from board to fans, its just frustrating to see our peers (Brighton, Brentford, Fulham) seemingly pushing forward. All quicker than we are.

 

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Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 04 Jul 23 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

I was totally uninspired by the return of Roy last year, but I had to eat some humble pie. He did things that I didn't think he was capable of.

I thought I'd be the last person to endorse his return.

Ever the optimist, doesn't it give us a full season to now scope out a new long-term manager?

Of course, we could still leave it until the last minute or see if we can eek out another year from Roy.

In other words, we are kicking the can, but that can be a fun game when you haven't got a proper football. We just need to make sure we conduct a full and proper search for a very good football when we get to the end of the road with the can.

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 04 Jul 23 5.11pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Why does everybody think that Richards is injury prone, he has had 1(one) injury since he's been with us, that is not being injury prone. He's doing very well with the USA in the Gold Cup.

Hey you,I think Richards should have a cigar, think about the money, its not us and them, Tomkins would be the thin ice, but the show must go on, he looks taller in the flesh, and he can run like hell, Time will tell, he could Eclipse Guehi,

 


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est1905 Flag 04 Jul 23 5.27pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Ok I admit I was wrong about the dismissal of Viera and short term return of Roy and Ray, but not at all convinced giving them another year has any real benefit for the club.

It to my mind shows there is little long term planning in place and hardly screams stability.

Not sure players will want to come knowing he has a year or stay if they cannot see a long term vision for the club.

To my mind this screams 'sticking plaster,' or more worrying, no one else wants the job


I think this is sensible. A London based Premiership club with a good squad, good fan base and established in the division. I'd be very surprised if there weren't some good coaches out there that wanted the job. I know for a fact Brendon Rodgers wanted it (but wanted way way too much money) and Graham Potter confirmed not too long ago he'd held talks with Palace (neither party revealing whether an offer was either rejected or even made in the first place).
I think this boils down to a few issues. Were any of the candidates a good fit? Did their wage demands fall into what we'd pay? Did they want to splurge 100m on new players? Were they uninterested in our proud youth system and indicated they'd not be looking to promote from within?
There are literally loads of issues that can become road blocks to a deal. I dont see Roy as a 'sticking plaster" and I imagine he might find that analogy a tad insulting considering his credentials. When you look at how he got us playing last season and how the players clearly want to play for him I think its a no brainer. He knows the club, knows the players, he knows the financial capabilities of the club/owners (by the way none of us do, despite speculation on here dressed up as fact).
This decision buys the owners and Freedman a year to draw up a shortlist of candidates that will fit the right profile. While that search goes on behind the scenes I believe Roy will run a steady ship. One thing I've always liked about Roy is unlike some managers he doesn't bulls*** the fans/media. When interviewed towards the end of last season he said he categorically believes that with the squad we have and decent pre season behind them this season's manager should 100% be aiming for a top 10 finish. He wouldn't say that if he didn't believe it.
I'm personally looking forward to seeing how he does. Lets face it, this will be his last job and his boyhood club at that. I'm betting he'll be using every trick and turn he knows to get us up that table. Sticking plaster? Yeah, a sticking plaster with 50 years experience will do me!

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 04 Jul 23 6.59pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by est1905


I think this is sensible. A London based Premiership club with a good squad, good fan base and established in the division. I'd be very surprised if there weren't some good coaches out there that wanted the job. I know for a fact Brendon Rodgers wanted it (but wanted way way too much money) and Graham Potter confirmed not too long ago he'd held talks with Palace (neither party revealing whether an offer was either rejected or even made in the first place).
I think this boils down to a few issues. Were any of the candidates a good fit? Did their wage demands fall into what we'd pay? Did they want to splurge 100m on new players? Were they uninterested in our proud youth system and indicated they'd not be looking to promote from within?
There are literally loads of issues that can become road blocks to a deal. I dont see Roy as a 'sticking plaster" and I imagine he might find that analogy a tad insulting considering his credentials. When you look at how he got us playing last season and how the players clearly want to play for him I think its a no brainer. He knows the club, knows the players, he knows the financial capabilities of the club/owners (by the way none of us do, despite speculation on here dressed up as fact).
This decision buys the owners and Freedman a year to draw up a shortlist of candidates that will fit the right profile. While that search goes on behind the scenes I believe Roy will run a steady ship. One thing I've always liked about Roy is unlike some managers he doesn't bulls*** the fans/media. When interviewed towards the end of last season he said he categorically believes that with the squad we have and decent pre season behind them this season's manager should 100% be aiming for a top 10 finish. He wouldn't say that if he didn't believe it.
I'm personally looking forward to seeing how he does. Lets face it, this will be his last job and his boyhood club at that. I'm betting he'll be using every trick and turn he knows to get us up that table. Sticking plaster? Yeah, a sticking plaster with 50 years experience will do me!


Well said. Now let's all get behind the manager, his team and our team. COYP.

 

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EastEndEagle Flag london 04 Jul 23 7.18pm Send a Private Message to EastEndEagle Add EastEndEagle as a friend

1 of 2 things will happen given this announcement.

Roy will get the sack part way through the season and Parish will stick Paddy in until the end of the season in the hope he can become an immediate success and guide us to safety.

Or

Roy will guide us to mid table safety, Paddy will have spent a full season learning from Roy and Ray and will pick up the role the following season.

Either way I look at it all things point to Paddy and those are the cheap options for Parish as he knows both Roy and Paddy will operate within the financial constraints he puts upon the club.

 

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Casual Flag Orpington 04 Jul 23 7.40pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Nice one Fatherken. This exactly as I see it. This is not short termism, it's clever long term planning with Paddy lined up to take charge in 24/25. Well done Mr Parish.

Paddy ?? Really??
Would you have any interest in him if he wasn’t already at /played for Palace?
A year putting the cones out, doesn’t make a premier league manager I’m afraid.

 

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