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PalazioVecchio south pole 02 Jul 23 1.21am
Originally posted by Matov A version of utopia does exist. In the East. [Tweet Link] Where would you rather be tonight? In Paris? Or in Moscow? If you live In Ireland they will tell you that video is far right and maybe crucify you for sharing it. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Matov

A version of utopia does exist. In the East.

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Where would you rather be tonight? In Paris? Or in Moscow?

If you live In Ireland they will tell you that video is far right and maybe crucify you for sharing it.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 02 Jul 23 4.57am
Originally posted by Matov As somebody on the ground, so to speak, what is the atmosphere like? I certainly don't buy into the 'Civil War' narrative/hysteria of many on the Right but I also see this as potentially breaking in a way in which Macron ends up being essentially told that he either lets the police deal with properly or else they effectively stand down. I have gained a perception (and am always more than happy to have that turned on its head) that the gloves have come off tonight in terms of how the Police are responding but would be fascinated to gain an understanding of how the wider French populace are reacting. I appreciate you cannot speak for France as a whole but given you are saying it is all peaceful where you are, I would guess you get most of your info via the media? Edited by Matov (01 Jul 2023 11.28pm) Given Macron publicly called the shooting 'unjustifiable' as his initial response, he kind of fanned the flames a bit at the start, by dis-crediting them. The suggestion of what Matov puts forward has a big dollop of irony. The police he initially criticised, are now having to clear up his huge mess, with their credibility already in pieces, and Macron's isn't too good I should think. Macron will probably just let the riots burn itself out, with minimal police action. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Jul 2023 4.58am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Matov

As somebody on the ground, so to speak, what is the atmosphere like?

I certainly don't buy into the 'Civil War' narrative/hysteria of many on the Right but I also see this as potentially breaking in a way in which Macron ends up being essentially told that he either lets the police deal with properly or else they effectively stand down. I have gained a perception (and am always more than happy to have that turned on its head) that the gloves have come off tonight in terms of how the Police are responding but would be fascinated to gain an understanding of how the wider French populace are reacting. I appreciate you cannot speak for France as a whole but given you are saying it is all peaceful where you are, I would guess you get most of your info via the media?

Edited by Matov (01 Jul 2023 11.28pm)

Given Macron publicly called the shooting 'unjustifiable' as his initial response, he kind of fanned the flames a bit at the start, by dis-crediting them.
The suggestion of what Matov puts forward has a big dollop of irony. The police he initially criticised, are now having to clear up his huge mess, with their credibility already in pieces, and Macron's isn't too good I should think.
Macron will probably just let the riots burn itself out, with minimal police action.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Jul 2023 4.58am)

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Matov 02 Jul 23 9.29am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Given Macron publicly called the shooting 'unjustifiable' as his initial response, he kind of fanned the flames a bit at the start, by dis-crediting them. The suggestion of what Matov puts forward has a big dollop of irony. The police he initially criticised, are now having to clear up his huge mess, with their credibility already in pieces, and Macron's isn't too good I should think. Macron will probably just let the riots burn itself out, with minimal police action. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Jul 2023 4.58am) Macron is definitely the defining factor here. Long espoused he is the most dangerous Frenchie since Napoleon and is perhaps the most unique manifestation of pure power politicking alive today (that entire scenario with the relationship with his wife is beyond bizzare and one of the primary 'secret' files they are trying to hang Trump with is an alleged CIA analysis of Macron). Now the Right are guilty at the moment of engaging in the same kind of wishful thinking that the Left did last weekend over the supposed coup in Russia. What is happening in France is just a manifestation of what always happens in France when the ferals decide to use an excuse to destroy s***. But there are some voices out there saying that the real impact of this is around the relationship the Police have with Government, along with the long-standing tension with the French Military. With it being suggested (and here I must stress I am not 100% convinced of how viable this is/might be) that it is possible there are moves afoot for both institutions to effectively warn Goverment if they don't address the wider problems underlying these constant riots/uprisings then they will perhaps set about taking matters more and more into their own hands. Now I would urge a pinch of salt with this take because there is a lot of hyperbole out there but I do sense that perhaps behind rather ornate French doors, a lot of people have just had about had a gutful of these scrotes. Edited by Matov (02 Jul 2023 9.31am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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02 Jul 23 9.29am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Jul 2023 4.58am)

Macron is definitely the defining factor here. Long espoused he is the most dangerous Frenchie since Napoleon and is perhaps the most unique manifestation of pure power politicking alive today (that entire scenario with the relationship with his wife is beyond bizzare and one of the primary 'secret' files they are trying to hang Trump with is an alleged CIA analysis of Macron).

Now the Right are guilty at the moment of engaging in the same kind of wishful thinking that the Left did last weekend over the supposed coup in Russia. What is happening in France is just a manifestation of what always happens in France when the ferals decide to use an excuse to destroy s***.

But there are some voices out there saying that the real impact of this is around the relationship the Police have with Government, along with the long-standing tension with the French Military. With it being suggested (and here I must stress I am not 100% convinced of how viable this is/might be) that it is possible there are moves afoot for both institutions to effectively warn Goverment if they don't address the wider problems underlying these constant riots/uprisings then they will perhaps set about taking matters more and more into their own hands. Now I would urge a pinch of salt with this take because there is a lot of hyperbole out there but I do sense that perhaps behind rather ornate French doors, a lot of people have just had about had a gutful of these scrotes.

Edited by Matov (02 Jul 2023 9.31am)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Jul 23 11.22am
Originally posted by Matov Macron is definitely the defining factor here. Long espoused he is the most dangerous Frenchie since Napoleon and is perhaps the most unique manifestation of pure power politicking alive today (that entire scenario with the relationship with his wife is beyond bizzare and one of the primary 'secret' files they are trying to hang Trump with is an alleged CIA analysis of Macron). Now the Right are guilty at the moment of engaging in the same kind of wishful thinking that the Left did last weekend over the supposed coup in Russia. What is happening in France is just a manifestation of what always happens in France when the ferals decide to use an excuse to destroy s***. But there are some voices out there saying that the real impact of this is around the relationship the Police have with Government, along with the long-standing tension with the French Military. With it being suggested (and here I must stress I am not 100% convinced of how viable this is/might be) that it is possible there are moves afoot for both institutions to effectively warn Goverment if they don't address the wider problems underlying these constant riots/uprisings then they will perhaps set about taking matters more and more into their own hands. Now I would urge a pinch of salt with this take because there is a lot of hyperbole out there but I do sense that perhaps behind rather ornate French doors, a lot of people have just had about had a gutful of these scrotes. Edited by Matov (02 Jul 2023 9.31am) France used to be famous for corruption. Everyone seems to have forgotten about that. How can anyone look at Macron and vote for that? Then again, there was Sarkozy too. They get the election system they deserve much like we all do. Look into the election system - no one really fully appreciated the scope for corruption. The deals are beyond believable. Red and Blue Army!
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Originally posted by Matov

Edited by Matov (02 Jul 2023 9.31am)

France used to be famous for corruption. Everyone seems to have forgotten about that. How can anyone look at Macron and vote for that? Then again, there was Sarkozy too. They get the election system they deserve much like we all do. Look into the election system - no one really fully appreciated the scope for corruption. The deals are beyond believable.

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Matov 03 Jul 23 6.21pm
Found this very, very telling... [Link] And all the Left can do is try and get it canceled. Utter tools. Truly gaining a sense now that the worm is finally beginning to turn. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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03 Jul 23 6.21pm

Found this very, very telling...

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And all the Left can do is try and get it canceled. Utter tools. Truly gaining a sense now that the worm is finally beginning to turn.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 03 Jul 23 7.14pm
Originally posted by Matov Found this very, very telling... [Link] And all the Left can do is try and get it canceled. Utter tools. Truly gaining a sense now that the worm is finally beginning to turn. Yes, very interesting article. Change.org was sending out a petition the other day to revoke the broadcasting licence for GB News, as the sponsor said the station was racist. I assume that there is a body that would decide whether that is the case, so presumably as it's still on air then their stories are factual. Seems strange that the petition was doing the rounds as Nigel Farage was having his bank accounts closed. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by Matov

Found this very, very telling...

[Link]

And all the Left can do is try and get it canceled. Utter tools. Truly gaining a sense now that the worm is finally beginning to turn.

Yes, very interesting article. Change.org was sending out a petition the other day to revoke the broadcasting licence for GB News, as the sponsor said the station was racist. I assume that there is a body that would decide whether that is the case, so presumably as it's still on air then their stories are factual. Seems strange that the petition was doing the rounds as Nigel Farage was having his bank accounts closed.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 03 Jul 23 11.00pm
Change,org is a joke, you can start a petition on virtually anything Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 03 Jul 23 11.00pm

Change,org is a joke, you can start a petition on virtually anything

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 04 Jul 23 7.48am
Can I ask if there was an autopsy on the 17 year old before he was quickly buried (as per Islamic tradition), since very shortly after the young passenger talked of the victim being hit over the head with the gun? The only way of confirming this is exhuming the body, which will be a trifle provocative. I will measure this with the understanding of the resentment felt by North African French citizens. Unlike, largely, the peaceful withdrawal of the British from their colonies, France's was rather bloody and messy, particularly in Algeria.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 04 Jul 23 7.48am

Can I ask if there was an autopsy on the 17 year old before he was quickly buried (as per Islamic tradition), since very shortly after the young passenger talked of the victim being hit over the head with the gun? The only way of confirming this is exhuming the body, which will be a trifle provocative.

I will measure this with the understanding of the resentment felt by North African French citizens. Unlike, largely, the peaceful withdrawal of the British from their colonies, France's was rather bloody and messy, particularly in Algeria.

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Matov 04 Jul 23 7.56am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad I will measure this with the understanding of the resentment felt by North African French citizens. Unlike, largely, the peaceful withdrawal of the British from their colonies, France's was rather bloody and messy, particularly in Algeria. The relationship between France and Algeria is far more complex and nuanced than anything the UK might have in terms of a 'colonial' understanding/relationship. Algeria was actually a part of France. The only potential comparison is say Gibralter. And even that is a piss poor example on a variety of levels, not least the fact that your average Gib is probably more pro-British than your average Brit. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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04 Jul 23 7.56am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

The relationship between France and Algeria is far more complex and nuanced than anything the UK might have in terms of a 'colonial' understanding/relationship. Algeria was actually a part of France.

The only potential comparison is say Gibralter. And even that is a piss poor example on a variety of levels, not least the fact that your average Gib is probably more pro-British than your average Brit.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Jul 23 8.08am
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines Yes, very interesting article. Change.org was sending out a petition the other day to revoke the broadcasting licence for GB News, as the sponsor said the station was racist. I assume that there is a body that would decide whether that is the case, so presumably as it's still on air then their stories are factual. Seems strange that the petition was doing the rounds as Nigel Farage was having his bank accounts closed. Didn't someone point out that GB News is not defined as a "news" station but as entertainment which allows it to bypass all the OFCOM rules around impartiality? Personally I have no problem with a bias new channel as long as it is clear that they are not pretending to be impartial. Edited by Badger11 (04 Jul 2023 8.11am) One more point
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Beckenham 04 Jul 23 8.08am

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Didn't someone point out that GB News is not defined as a "news" station but as entertainment which allows it to bypass all the OFCOM rules around impartiality?

Personally I have no problem with a bias new channel as long as it is clear that they are not pretending to be impartial.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Jul 2023 8.11am)

One more point

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 04 Jul 23 9.38am
Originally posted by Matov The relationship between France and Algeria is far more complex and nuanced than anything the UK might have in terms of a 'colonial' understanding/relationship. Algeria was actually a part of France. The only potential comparison is say Gibralter. And even that is a piss poor example on a variety of levels, not least the fact that your average Gib is probably more pro-British than your average Brit. Actually you are right. If I recall correctly Albert Camus was born and bred in Algeria but was in fact a French citizen. Edited by Slimey Toad (04 Jul 2023 9.39am)
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 04 Jul 23 9.38am

Originally posted by Matov

The relationship between France and Algeria is far more complex and nuanced than anything the UK might have in terms of a 'colonial' understanding/relationship. Algeria was actually a part of France.

Actually you are right. If I recall correctly Albert Camus was born and bred in Algeria but was in fact a French citizen.

Edited by Slimey Toad (04 Jul 2023 9.39am)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 04 Jul 23 9.48am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad Unlike, largely, the peaceful withdrawal of the British from their colonies..... . Are you on drugs ? Ulster in our lifetime 1921 southern ireland South Africa 1947 India/pakistan Israel/Palestine Caribbean slavery Dresden 1944 The Union Jack is the butchers apron. ...worse than even France. All the North Africans , living in France , chose to live there. For them to hate their host country is them not showing much gratitude and should invite them to leave. I write this as an immigrant myself.... I support the uk or I can leave the uk. The James McClean option is not clever nor peaceful. When you go to any new country, you must assimilate and play by THEIR rules. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Unlike, largely, the peaceful withdrawal of the British from their colonies.....
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Are you on drugs ?

Ulster in our lifetime
1921 southern ireland

South Africa

1947 India/pakistan
Israel/Palestine

Caribbean slavery
Dresden 1944

The Union Jack is the butchers apron. ...worse than even France.

All the North Africans , living in France , chose to live there. For them to hate their host country is them not showing much gratitude and should invite them to leave. I write this as an immigrant myself.... I support the uk or I can leave the uk. The James McClean option is not clever nor peaceful.

When you go to any new country, you must assimilate and play by THEIR rules.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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