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Painter Flag Croydon 03 May 23 12.41pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by SnapperKain

Crooks has had a problem with us ever since Vieira was let go. As others have noted, one of his comments was that he was unconvinced that the results would of been different if Vieira had stayed and that in actual fact, Hodgson's arrival had made no difference at all. Despite the fact that it's disrespectful to Hodgson and Ray for the results that we've got since they've come in and has a complete disregard for the way we were playing before (low energy, no goals for how long) it does seem to have an ulterior motive and accusatory tone which I find very distasteful, especially given the diversity that we have in the current Palace squad and historically.

Feels like he's desperately digging around in the dirt to try and justify his weird vitriol for Palace since Vieira left. Alright, I would of preferred Ayew not to get booked for taking off his shirt, but I doubt I'll see Crooks criticising Richarlison for doing the same on Monday and to have a go at Eze for the penalty, the ref and VAR gave it and we've seen lighter ones then that given against us. Wilf has always moaned when he's taken off and I assumed it was due to coming back from injury along with minutes before being taken off, he was moaning at Ayew and Doucouré so perhaps Roy thought he was throwing his toys out of pram.

There's more drama at the frothing of the mouth of Crooks writing that article and trying to prove his Vieira v Hodgson argument, than anything happening at the Palace.

What a tw@t.

Edited by SnapperKain (03 May 2023 12.36pm)

To him, he has done his objective, getting people talking about him. If he wasn’t controversial, nobody would take any notice of him.

 

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nhp61 Flag Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 03 May 23 1.28pm Send a Private Message to nhp61 Add nhp61 as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad


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Even by Crook's biased standards, this is absurd. If anything, we have been too clean, too fair, not inclined to play dirty and we have paid for this. I agree with the stupid Ayew moment, but clearly his emotions got the better of him. The last sentence finally acknowledges the contribution of Eze (and Olise) but why is Eberechi place in Olise's position?

I had to wonder what Crooks was on when I read the piece. He had Eze in his Team of the Week, yet he all but accused him of cheating to win the penalty and rambling on about Wilf and Ayew.

Wilf was unhappy when he was subbed, but that's good as it showed he cared, and, Ayew, well, I did think he was a bit of a prat to take his shirt off after he scored, but what has this got to do with how Ebs' performance ended up getting on Crooks' Team of the Week? And how is this a cause for concern?

Very strange article.

 

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nhp61 Flag Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 03 May 23 1.29pm Send a Private Message to nhp61 Add nhp61 as a friend


Edited by nhp61 (03 May 2023 1.30pm)

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 May 23 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by nhp61

I had to wonder what Crooks was on when I read the piece. He had Eze in his Team of the Week, yet he all but accused him of cheating to win the penalty and rambling on about Wilf and Ayew.

Wilf was unhappy when he was subbed, but that's good as it showed he cared, and, Ayew, well, I did think he was a bit of a prat to take his shirt off after he scored, but what has this got to do with how Ebs' performance ended up getting on Crooks' Team of the Week? And how is this a cause for concern?

Very strange article.

Ayew often gets pelters for looking grumpy so I was glad that the goal meant a lot to him, just don't do it again Jordan.

 


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Gribbo Flag Bromley 03 May 23 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Gribbo Add Gribbo as a friend

Not sure Crooks can see the action too well through the bottom of a pint glass. Lawrenson’s predictions have Liverpool on a 4 season unbeaten streak.
As for Chris Sutton, I don’t know what his problem is, but his predictions have Palace bottom of the table on 7 points. A bitter and twisted old man.

 

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sydtheeagle Flag England 03 May 23 5.40pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Surely we all know by now that football is a "mates game". First and foremost, you have to doff your cap to the worthy and then you have to look after whoever of your mates has just been slighted, even if the reasons for doing so are good.

Vieira creates an enormous problem for those in the game. He's held in extremely high regard (justifiably as a player and as a man) and it'd be heresy for any in the ex-players club to criticise him. The fact that we had a run of games against top teams provides the perfect excuse to deflect attention from the fact that he wasn't a very good manager.

Roy creates another (even bigger) problem because he's more or less eviscerated all those arguments, not because we've won a load of games since he arrived (although that helps) but because players who weren't performing under Vieira now have smiles on their faces and are looking international class.

There's nowhere for the Vieira defenders and "experts" to hide, not that that'll stop them dishonestly flogging the same old horse of claiming he wasn't given a fair chance. Ex-players can offer useful insights into the game and from time-to-time they do that, but they always put self-interest, and the interests of their mates first and they only say something interesting if it fits in with that narrative. If they admitted that you and I knew something about the game too, that'd threaten their gravy train income.

I'll bet when Crooks and Sutton are down at the pub together, away from the cameras and with the tape recorder switched off, Garth says "Can you believe how f***ing useless Vieira was at Palace?" and Chris responds, "I know, but keep your voice down, mate".

 


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taylors lovechild Flag 03 May 23 5.50pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Surely we all know by now that football is a "mates game". First and foremost, you have to doff your cap to the worthy and then you have to look after whoever of your mates has just been slighted, even if the reasons for doing so are good.

Vieira creates an enormous problem for those in the game. He's held in extremely high regard (justifiably as a player and as a man) and it'd be heresy for any in the ex-players club to criticise him. The fact that we had a run of games against top teams provides the perfect excuse to deflect attention from the fact that he wasn't a very good manager.

Roy creates another (even bigger) problem because he's more or less eviscerated all those arguments, not because we've won a load of games since he arrived (although that helps) but because players who weren't performing under Vieira now have smiles on their faces and are looking international class.

There's nowhere for the Vieira defenders and "experts" to hide, not that that'll stop them dishonestly flogging the same old horse of claiming he wasn't given a fair chance. Ex-players can offer useful insights into the game and from time-to-time they do that, but they always put self-interest, and the interests of their mates first and they only say something interesting if it fits in with that narrative. If they admitted that you and I knew something about the game too, that'd threaten their gravy train income.

I'll bet when Crooks and Sutton are down at the pub together, away from the cameras and with the tape recorder switched off, Garth says "Can you believe how f***ing useless Vieira was at Palace?" and Chris responds, "I know, but keep your voice down, mate".

You do both have a way of writing that is quite entitled and arrogant, like any opposing view must be wrong. It's become increasingly common on these forums where people say something as if it is a fact when it's really an opinion. I personally don't agree Vieira was a bad manager, but I do accept he'd seemingly lost his way. Players have smiles on their faces because they are winning. It's not rocket science.

 

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thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 04 May 23 6.07am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Stick to the headline! I agree 100% and you could put Crooks in the same sentence.

 

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Tunbridge Flag Tunbridge Wells 04 May 23 6.52am Send a Private Message to Tunbridge Add Tunbridge as a friend

I disagree 100%.

Sutton unlike other pundits is not afraid to put his head above the parapet, whereas many just since on the fence and say very little in case of being seen as controversial.

Also, if you'd heard him on the Monday night club on Radio 5 Live a few weeks ago, he was tipping Palace to stay up when many on here were having kittens and thought we weere getting relegated.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 04 May 23 7.12am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Will Crooks criticise Nunez for “going down too easily” or was he in the “being clever” camp.
Anyone see his condemnation of Klopp, I haven’t


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Edited by Spiderman (04 May 2023 7.34am)

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 May 23 8.35am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Will Crooks criticise Nunez for “going down too easily” or was he in the “being clever” camp.
Anyone see his condemnation of Klopp, I haven’t


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Edited by Spiderman (04 May 2023 7.34am)

Isn't that the verb to dive:

Palace Player "I Dive (yellow Card)
Liverpool Player "You dive (Penalty)
Man United Team "We all dive (Sir Alex gets a knighthood)" etc.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 04 May 23 8.40am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Isn't that the verb to dive:

Palace Player "I Dive (yellow Card)
Liverpool Player "You dive (Penalty)
Man United Team "We all dive (Sir Alex gets a knighthood)" etc.

It's a bit like praising a drug dealer or any other serious and committed criminal for avoiding prosecution isn't it?

I think I have heard the odd 'He's trying to cheat/has cheated the officials there' comment but not prevalent enough for me, call it for what it is!!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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