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radicalsteve ottawa 20 Mar 23 5.37pm
every time I watch Danny Imray in the U-21's I wonder why he hasn't been given a chance, maybe it is a bit too early, but at least he can run into space and cross a ball decently and then get back to cover defensively, something that neither Ward or Clyne can do. They leave us hugely exposed, they get overloaded and then Olise spend way too much time trying to cover, (which he is still learning), instead of being further forward to get an early ball to get past defenders ..... thats the last of the armchair coaching for today
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ottawa 20 Mar 23 5.37pm

every time I watch Danny Imray in the U-21's I wonder why he hasn't been given a chance, maybe it is a bit too early, but at least he can run into space and cross a ball decently and then get back to cover defensively, something that neither Ward or Clyne can do. They leave us hugely exposed, they get overloaded and then Olise spend way too much time trying to cover, (which he is still learning), instead of being further forward to get an early ball to get past defenders ..... thats the last of the armchair coaching for today

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Tickled pink Cornwall 20 Mar 23 5.57pm
Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE Milivojevic, Schlupp, J Ayew, Tomkins and Ward all should have gone by now and replaced with upgrades. Money should have been spent on a half decent forward, its gonna take a long time to sort this mess out. This is correct yes, but it's not the fault of Milivojevic, Schlupp, J Ayew, Tomkins and Ward that they're needed to do the best they can which is what they're all trying to do and the abuse they suffer is quite disgusting and most definitely not helping them in any way I would imagine, we should support them and encourage them because confidence is a killer, this is not aimed at you Dangerclose, but aimed at all our so called fans who seem to think it's clever to have a go at particular players.
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Tickled pink

Cornwall 20 Mar 23 5.57pm

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

Milivojevic, Schlupp, J Ayew, Tomkins and Ward all should have gone by now and replaced with upgrades.

Money should have been spent on a half decent forward, its gonna take a long time to sort this mess out.

This is correct yes, but it's not the fault of Milivojevic, Schlupp, J Ayew, Tomkins and Ward that they're needed to do the best they can which is what they're all trying to do and the abuse they suffer is quite disgusting and most definitely not helping them in any way I would imagine, we should support them and encourage them because confidence is a killer, this is not aimed at you Dangerclose, but aimed at all our so called fans who seem to think it's clever to have a go at particular players.

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Eaglecoops CR3 22 Mar 23 8.27am
Originally posted by Tickled pink This is correct yes, but it's not the fault of Milivojevic, Schlupp, J Ayew, Tomkins and Ward that they're needed to do the best they can which is what they're all trying to do and the abuse they suffer is quite disgusting and most definitely not helping them in any way I would imagine, we should support them and encourage them because confidence is a killer, this is not aimed at you Dangerclose, but aimed at all our so called fans who seem to think it's clever to have a go at particular players. Jeez, calm down before you melt. This is top level professional football. If you can’t cut it you deserve what you got coming to you. It’s a fickle game, always has been. One season a hero, the next a villain. I also doubt these pages are followed by players earning millions a year and if they screw up on the field do you stand there shouting, “stop using hurty words you’ll ruin his confidence “. My guess is no, you won’t.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 22 Mar 23 8.27am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Jeez, calm down before you melt. This is top level professional football. If you can’t cut it you deserve what you got coming to you. It’s a fickle game, always has been. One season a hero, the next a villain. I also doubt these pages are followed by players earning millions a year and if they screw up on the field do you stand there shouting, “stop using hurty words you’ll ruin his confidence “. My guess is no, you won’t.

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NE14T 22 Mar 23 3.42pm
Paddy blundered into the mistake of sticking with experience and forgetting that Ward and Milo’s playing weaknesses greatly outweighed any experience advantages. Let’s hope Roy doesn’t follow this mistake and instead bring in a couple of guys from the U21’s. The beatings will stop when morale improves.
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22 Mar 23 3.42pm

Paddy blundered into the mistake of sticking with experience and forgetting that Ward and Milo’s playing weaknesses greatly outweighed any experience advantages.

Let’s hope Roy doesn’t follow this mistake and instead bring in a couple of guys from the U21’s.

The beatings will stop when morale improves.

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fish mitten Chelmsford 22 Mar 23 4.00pm
Saw Danny Imray 3 or 4 times last season when he was loaned back to his old (and my local) team Chelmsford City. You could see flashes of him being better than most of the players, though there was a time when he was dropped from the team. That's National League South, though he was coming back from injury. Certainly he was very highly regarded before he came to Palace. Originally posted by radicalsteve every time I watch Danny Imray in the U-21's I wonder why he hasn't been given a chance, maybe it is a bit too early, but at least he can run into space and cross a ball decently and then get back to cover defensively, something that neither Ward or Clyne can do. They leave us hugely exposed, they get overloaded and then Olise spend way too much time trying to cover, (which he is still learning), instead of being further forward to get an early ball to get past defenders ..... thats the last of the armchair coaching for today
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Chelmsford 22 Mar 23 4.00pm

Saw Danny Imray 3 or 4 times last season when he was loaned back to his old (and my local) team Chelmsford City. You could see flashes of him being better than most of the players, though there was a time when he was dropped from the team. That's National League South, though he was coming back from injury.

Certainly he was very highly regarded before he came to Palace.

Originally posted by radicalsteve

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DANGERCLOSE London 22 Mar 23 4.03pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink This is correct yes, but it's not the fault of Milivojevic, Schlupp, J Ayew, Tomkins and Ward that they're needed to do the best they can which is what they're all trying to do and the abuse they suffer is quite disgusting and most definitely not helping them in any way I would imagine, we should support them and encourage them because confidence is a killer, this is not aimed at you Dangerclose, but aimed at all our so called fans who seem to think it's clever to have a go at particular players. Its about recruitment and not having ago at players its not there fought, We have been in the prem for 10 seasons now so you would have thought we would have a better squad. Ward replaced Clyne AWB replaced Ward Ward replaced AWB who was sold Clyne brought back to replace Ward The cycle is complete. Next season a new manager will come in and i hope he is better funded.
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DANGERCLOSE

London 22 Mar 23 4.03pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Its about recruitment and not having ago at players its not there fought, We have been in the prem for 10 seasons now so you would have thought we would have a better squad.

Ward replaced Clyne
AWB replaced Ward
Ward replaced AWB who was sold
Clyne brought back to replace Ward

The cycle is complete.

Next season a new manager will come in and i hope he is better funded.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 22 Mar 23 4.15pm
Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE Its about recruitment and not having ago at players its not there fought, We have been in the prem for 10 seasons now so you would have thought we would have a better squad. Ward replaced Clyne AWB replaced Ward Ward replaced AWB who was sold Clyne brought back to replace Ward The cycle is complete. Next season a new manager will come in and i hope he is better funded. Given the recent announcement I am looking forward to Danny Butterfield signing on a short-term deal to play when Ward gets injured. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 22 Mar 23 4.15pm

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

Its about recruitment and not having ago at players its not there fought, We have been in the prem for 10 seasons now so you would have thought we would have a better squad.

Ward replaced Clyne
AWB replaced Ward
Ward replaced AWB who was sold
Clyne brought back to replace Ward

The cycle is complete.

Next season a new manager will come in and i hope he is better funded.

Given the recent announcement I am looking forward to Danny Butterfield signing on a short-term deal to play when Ward gets injured.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 22 Mar 23 4.47pm
I think the division has improved and we lack the financial muscle to compete. When I look at our recruitment of the past few years, only Mateta gives me meaningful doubts and it's clear how hard it is to find good Prem strikers. Eze, Olise, Andersen, Doucoure, Guehi, Ahamada, Edouard, Johnstone, Richards -- I like them all and believe under the right manager they'd be amazing. Lokonga too but he's not ours. That's a superb success ratio. It suggests to me that the real issue is just an unwillingness to spend because the club is relatively poor, not a failure to find good players. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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I think the division has improved and we lack the financial muscle to compete.

When I look at our recruitment of the past few years, only Mateta gives me meaningful doubts and it's clear how hard it is to find good Prem strikers.

Eze, Olise, Andersen, Doucoure, Guehi, Ahamada, Edouard, Johnstone, Richards -- I like them all and believe under the right manager they'd be amazing. Lokonga too but he's not ours.

That's a superb success ratio.

It suggests to me that the real issue is just an unwillingness to spend because the club is relatively poor, not a failure to find good players.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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MrRobbo Chaldon 22 Mar 23 4.59pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig I think the division has improved and we lack the financial muscle to compete. When I look at our recruitment of the past few years, only Mateta gives me meaningful doubts and it's clear how hard it is to find good Prem strikers. Eze, Olise, Andersen, Doucoure, Guehi, Ahamada, Edouard, Johnstone, Richards -- I like them all and believe under the right manager they'd be amazing. Lokonga too but he's not ours. That's a superb success ratio. It suggests to me that the real issue is just an unwillingness to spend because the club is relatively poor, not a failure to find good players. I don't know if that's 100% true. Sure money helps, and it helps you be lazy with recruitment. But plenty of examples of players that don't cost the earth. How much did Brighton's first team cost? Brentford? As you pointed out we've started to find good young players. Issue being the teams that are good at this have been doing this for years. And we've only just started. We're also not good enough at identifying them early enough. All the players mentioned had a profile and (because we needed to) were first team ready. As well as loads of money, we lack a long term recruitment plan. As much as it pains to say look at some of our neighbours stars: Mitoma - £2.5m Caicedo - £4.5m Mac Allister - £7m All bought for modest fees, all loaned out for a season or 2 before being ready for hte first team. All now worth a LOT. Realistically we are light years away from them.
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Chaldon 22 Mar 23 4.59pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I think the division has improved and we lack the financial muscle to compete.

When I look at our recruitment of the past few years, only Mateta gives me meaningful doubts and it's clear how hard it is to find good Prem strikers.

Eze, Olise, Andersen, Doucoure, Guehi, Ahamada, Edouard, Johnstone, Richards -- I like them all and believe under the right manager they'd be amazing. Lokonga too but he's not ours.

That's a superb success ratio.

It suggests to me that the real issue is just an unwillingness to spend because the club is relatively poor, not a failure to find good players.

I don't know if that's 100% true. Sure money helps, and it helps you be lazy with recruitment.

But plenty of examples of players that don't cost the earth.

How much did Brighton's first team cost? Brentford?

As you pointed out we've started to find good young players. Issue being the teams that are good at this have been doing this for years. And we've only just started. We're also not good enough at identifying them early enough.

All the players mentioned had a profile and (because we needed to) were first team ready.

As well as loads of money, we lack a long term recruitment plan. As much as it pains to say look at some of our neighbours stars:

Mitoma - £2.5m
Caicedo - £4.5m
Mac Allister - £7m

All bought for modest fees, all loaned out for a season or 2 before being ready for hte first team. All now worth a LOT.

Realistically we are light years away from them.

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palace99 New Mills 22 Mar 23 5.38pm
we have clearly has limited transfer budgets for a number of years. The purchases of Tekkers and Sakho left us hamstrung for the next few years and not just due to their transfer fees. As both were on £100k plus a week the overall wage bill got out of control. Zaha got a big increase etc and others such as VG and Luka managed to get increased contracts etc. Gambles such as Max Meyers would not have been taken if we had a more sensible wage structure. With the two original American investor clearly not overly interested it was only when Textor came in over the summer of 2021 that the budget was given a much needed boost, albeit a temporary one. However, it is not just transfer dealings that have been out failing. Have the players progressed? Look at Fulham. They have a team that has yo-yoed between the divisions and a manager who has been sacked from at least 2 prem clubs (Watford and Everton). Yet he has got good Championship players like Reid, Reed and Ream performing very well. He has also got his better players such as Mitrovic and Robinson performing consistently well. We have players like Eze who has lost his mojo, Edouard's confidence looks shot and has a low workrate and experienced players like Schlupp and Ayew and even Zaha have been consistently well below par.
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New Mills 22 Mar 23 5.38pm

we have clearly has limited transfer budgets for a number of years. The purchases of Tekkers and Sakho left us hamstrung for the next few years and not just due to their transfer fees. As both were on £100k plus a week the overall wage bill got out of control. Zaha got a big increase etc and others such as VG and Luka managed to get increased contracts etc. Gambles such as Max Meyers would not have been taken if we had a more sensible wage structure.

With the two original American investor clearly not overly interested it was only when Textor came in over the summer of 2021 that the budget was given a much needed boost, albeit a temporary one.

However, it is not just transfer dealings that have been out failing. Have the players progressed?

Look at Fulham. They have a team that has yo-yoed between the divisions and a manager who has been sacked from at least 2 prem clubs (Watford and Everton). Yet he has got good Championship players like Reid, Reed and Ream performing very well.
He has also got his better players such as Mitrovic and Robinson performing consistently well.

We have players like Eze who has lost his mojo, Edouard's confidence looks shot and has a low workrate and experienced players like Schlupp and Ayew and even Zaha have been consistently well below par.

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PatrickA London 23 Mar 23 6.59am
My main difficulty with our recruitment is the unbalanced nature of it which leaves glaring gaps in the squad. In recent seasons Ayew has frequently occupied the position of the front 3. I understand the need for competition and for his ultimate replacement, but did we need 3 players to fulfil this function? We purchased Olise , have the highly regarded Rak Saki coming through and then went and bought Ebiowei. They are of a similar age and are all left footed players who favour playing on the right and cutting in from that side. They can’t all play in the team. In my view this is excessive when we have the following issues - only one out of form left back and two veteran right backs. The full back position has desperately needed strengthening for a while. - two strikers who show no signs of being of the required standard - for the bulk of the season weakness in central midfield where numbers (Luka, Jairo, Schlupp) have proved no substitute for quality. - no evidence of a succession plan for Zaha with his possible departure in mind Where is the forward planning? We did well at centre back where we had a number of ageing and unfit centre backs and to address this issue purchased 3 talented players who look very good already and also have great potential. It would have been good to see similar foresight in other areas . The club may argue they tried to address the full back and midfield areas through AWB and Gallagher, but when this didn’t happen I refuse to believe that there weren’t viable alternatives. At the end of the season we have a large number of players out of contract who will need replacing along with the need for a new manager. This also begs another question in relation to the input of the new manager into players retained or purchased leading to another potentially chaotic summer if there is a delay in appointing a new manager. It is recognised that the club don’t have the resources to do everything immediately but there should at least be some evidence of a coherent strategy.
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London 23 Mar 23 6.59am

My main difficulty with our recruitment is the unbalanced nature of it which leaves glaring gaps in the squad.
In recent seasons Ayew has frequently occupied the position of the front 3.
I understand the need for competition and for his ultimate replacement, but did we need 3 players to fulfil this function?
We purchased Olise , have the highly regarded Rak Saki coming through and then went and bought Ebiowei.
They are of a similar age and are all left footed players who favour playing on the right and cutting in from that side.
They can’t all play in the team.

In my view this is excessive when we have the following issues

- only one out of form left back and two veteran right backs. The full back position has desperately needed strengthening for a while.
- two strikers who show no signs of being of the required standard
- for the bulk of the season weakness in central midfield where numbers (Luka, Jairo, Schlupp) have proved no substitute for quality.
- no evidence of a succession plan for Zaha with his possible
departure in mind

Where is the forward planning?

We did well at centre back where we had a number of ageing and unfit centre backs and to address this issue purchased 3 talented players who look very good already and also have great potential.
It would have been good to see similar foresight in other areas .

The club may argue they tried to address the full back and midfield areas through AWB and Gallagher, but when this didn’t happen I refuse to believe that there weren’t viable alternatives.
At the end of the season we have a large number of players out of contract who will need replacing along with the need for a new manager.
This also begs another question in relation to the input of the new manager into players retained or purchased leading to another potentially chaotic summer if there is a delay in appointing a new manager.

It is recognised that the club don’t have the resources to do everything immediately but there should at least be some evidence of a coherent strategy.

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PatrickA London 24 Mar 23 8.37am
It’s noteworthy that AWB and Gallagher are getting more minutes for their clubs now and that Gallagher is in the England squad. It has to be very unlikely that we’ll be able to prise them away now as even if they were available they would probably be too expensive and not the cheaper options they might have been earlier in the season. With players out of contract and unlikely to be renewed I suspect we’ll need around four or more new players in the summer. Originally posted by PatrickA My main difficulty with our recruitment is the unbalanced nature of it which leaves glaring gaps in the squad. In recent seasons Ayew has frequently occupied the position of the front 3. I understand the need for competition and for his ultimate replacement, but did we need 3 players to fulfil this function? We purchased Olise , have the highly regarded Rak Saki coming through and then went and bought Ebiowei. They are of a similar age and are all left footed players who favour playing on the right and cutting in from that side. They can’t all play in the team. In my view this is excessive when we have the following issues - only one out of form left back and two veteran right backs. The full back position has desperately needed strengthening for a while. - two strikers who show no signs of being of the required standard - for the bulk of the season weakness in central midfield where numbers (Luka, Jairo, Schlupp) have proved no substitute for quality. - no evidence of a succession plan for Zaha with his possible departure in mind Where is the forward planning? We did well at centre back where we had a number of ageing and unfit centre backs and to address this issue purchased 3 talented players who look very good already and also have great potential. It would have been good to see similar foresight in other areas . The club may argue they tried to address the full back and midfield areas through AWB and Gallagher, but when this didn’t happen I refuse to believe that there weren’t viable alternatives. At the end of the season we have a large number of players out of contract who will need replacing along with the need for a new manager. This also begs another question in relation to the input of the new manager into players retained or purchased leading to another potentially chaotic summer if there is a delay in appointing a new manager. It is recognised that the club don’t have the resources to do everything immediately but there should at least be some evidence of a coherent strategy.
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London 24 Mar 23 8.37am

It’s noteworthy that AWB and Gallagher are getting more minutes for their clubs now and that Gallagher is in the England squad.
It has to be very unlikely that we’ll be able to prise them away now as even if they were available they would probably be too expensive and not the cheaper options they might have been earlier in the season.
With players out of contract and unlikely to be renewed I suspect we’ll need around four or more new players in the summer.

Originally posted by PatrickA

In my view this is excessive when we have the following issues

Where is the forward planning?

It is recognised that the club don’t have the resources to do everything immediately but there should at least be some evidence of a coherent strategy.

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