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RH8Eagle Oxted 12 Feb 23 11.48am
It’s good to see a few more positive replies and I am also a glass half full supporter. We can’t just look at the similar size teams on a great run and think that should be us as their are plenty doing not as well and this is the best run in our history. I think we will just about be ok this season but it’s not obvious exactly who the worst three teams are but we don’t want to be back in the championship as it’s definitely not an easy league with no guarantee’s and all we would want is promotion back to the big time. I know it’s hard to keep supporting all the time without grumbling but we can hear our fellow fans digging out individuals players it just doesn’t help our cause.
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Oxted 12 Feb 23 11.48am

It’s good to see a few more positive replies and I am also a glass half full supporter.
We can’t just look at the similar size teams on a great run and think that should be us as their are plenty doing not as well and this is the best run in our history. I think we will just about be ok this season but it’s not obvious exactly who the worst three teams are but we don’t want to be back in the championship as it’s definitely not an easy league with no guarantee’s and all we would want is promotion back to the big time.
I know it’s hard to keep supporting all the time without grumbling but we can hear our fellow fans digging out individuals players it just doesn’t help our cause.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 23 11.52am
Originally posted by djmikeyp Please look on the bright side! As a supporter for more than 60 years, I am as saddened as everyone else by how poor we were yesterday, but let’s look at the wider picture. Patrick took over a creaking ship, a side which was boring us to tears and with many players about to come out of contract. Yes, his early success was largely due to the input of Connor Gallagher. Another way of looking at that, is that we are only one player short of having a very good team. Olise and Eze are enormously exciting, Anderson is one of the best passers in the division, Mitchell and Guehi are touted as international prospects, Richards’ performances have been excellent. And surely either Mateta or Odsonne must regain their scoring ability soon? It has been a strange season with the World Cup interruption and a savage run of matches. This is not the time to be turning on the manager or the players. Edited by djmikeyp (12 Feb 2023 11.36am) I too have been a supporter for over 60 years ! The ship is still creaking akin to a Tudor doors hinges as it navigates itself through pitchy seas. Eze has flattered to deceive and his work out of possession is disappointing and diaboliocal. Mitchell for me has been disappointing on too many occasions. I accept that Gallagher has been a significant miss, however we purchase 2 midfielders in January and not started either of them. Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2023 11.56am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 23 11.52am

Originally posted by djmikeyp

Please look on the bright side!
As a supporter for more than 60 years, I am as saddened as everyone else by how poor we were yesterday, but let’s look at the wider picture.
Patrick took over a creaking ship, a side which was boring us to tears and with many players about to come out of contract.
Yes, his early success was largely due to the input of Connor Gallagher. Another way of looking at that, is that we are only one player short of having a very good team.
Olise and Eze are enormously exciting, Anderson is one of the best passers in the division, Mitchell and Guehi are touted as international prospects, Richards’ performances have been excellent.
And surely either Mateta or Odsonne must regain their scoring ability soon?
It has been a strange season with the World Cup interruption and a savage run of matches.
This is not the time to be turning on the manager or the players.

Edited by djmikeyp (12 Feb 2023 11.36am)

I too have been a supporter for over 60 years !

The ship is still creaking akin to a Tudor doors hinges as it navigates itself through pitchy seas.
Eze has flattered to deceive and his work out of possession is disappointing and diaboliocal.
Mitchell for me has been disappointing on too many occasions.
I accept that Gallagher has been a significant miss, however we purchase 2 midfielders in January and not started either of them.

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2023 11.56am)

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andyeagles croydon 12 Feb 23 12.16pm
NEILLO, whats fun about stagnating in the lower half of the premierleague for a decade?? im at that point now where i truely believe being a norwich fan would have been alot more of a better ride having seen several promotions weve been in the prem for ten years you'd have thought by now we'd have had 1 good season and given europe a good decent push if someone had a crystal ball and told me the next 10 years will mirror the last 10 years i can asure you now, id rather take a relegation or 2 and have 2 or 3 promotions from the championship under our belt. Originally posted by NEILLO While I can empathise with some of your issues, I think you have fallen into the trap of over expectation after last season. I'm sure that the club would love to be competing higher up the table and pushing for a place in Europe. But unless investment is made in improving the squad it's just wishful thinking. You say the club has no ambition and yet you yearn for the Championship ! That really is a lack of ambition. I'm sick of people banging on about Brentford and Brighton and why aren't Palace performing to their level. How about instead taking a look at some of the other clubs you mention ; Leeds, West Ham, Everton, Wolves and Southampton all below us in the table. Like it or not, Palace are just about where you would expect them to be at this moment in time. I think there will be changes afoot in the summer, major changes. And some of your issues may be addressed.
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croydon 12 Feb 23 12.16pm

NEILLO, whats fun about stagnating in the lower half of the premierleague for a decade?? im at that point now where i truely believe being a norwich fan would have been alot more of a better ride having seen several promotions

weve been in the prem for ten years you'd have thought by now we'd have had 1 good season and given europe a good decent push

if someone had a crystal ball and told me the next 10 years will mirror the last 10 years i can asure you now, id rather take a relegation or 2 and have 2 or 3 promotions from the championship under our belt.

Originally posted by NEILLO

While I can empathise with some of your issues, I think you have fallen into the trap of over expectation after last season.

I'm sure that the club would love to be competing higher up the table and pushing for a place in Europe. But unless investment is made in improving the squad it's just wishful thinking.

You say the club has no ambition and yet you yearn for the Championship ! That really is a lack of ambition.

I'm sick of people banging on about Brentford and Brighton and why aren't Palace performing to their level. How about instead taking a look at some of the other clubs you mention ; Leeds, West Ham, Everton, Wolves and Southampton all below us in the table.

Like it or not, Palace are just about where you would expect them to be at this moment in time.

I think there will be changes afoot in the summer, major changes. And some of your issues may be addressed.

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ambrose7 Croydon 12 Feb 23 12.28pm
The thing that concerns me is that all of the little things that aren't going right could be symptoms of something much more fundamentally wrong. A few examples: - A few key, younger players have clearly gone backwards. Mitchell never has a clue what is behind him at the back post, Eze and Olise a shadow of where they were at the backend of last season (Olise) and start of this (Eze). - We cover the least distance of any team in the league. - We haven't scored from open play in any of our last 9 Premier League games. - In the last 5 years, we have the 16th lowest net spend. Of those below us, only 2 (Brighton and Leicester) have been in the PL the whole time. Leicester have sold players for a fortune in that time (Maguire, Chilwell, Mahrez..). We've let 66 players go in the last 5 years, and brought in only £81m. - In those last 5 years, we've spent less than Forest, Bournemouth and Fulham. Only Watford, Burnley, Sheffield United, Brentford, Norwich, Huddersfield, Cardiff and West Brom have been in the PL and spent less than us in the past 5 years. Leeds and Southampton have spent double. [Link] - We have 9 of our first team squad out of contract this summer, including 4 of yesterday's starting 11. Add all that up, and the management of the first team squad looks broken in terms of the week to week output, and the medium term makeup of the squad. It suggests issues at the heart of the club that make it really tough to get excited about anything we're doing. 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.
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Croydon 12 Feb 23 12.28pm

The thing that concerns me is that all of the little things that aren't going right could be symptoms of something much more fundamentally wrong. A few examples:

- A few key, younger players have clearly gone backwards. Mitchell never has a clue what is behind him at the back post, Eze and Olise a shadow of where they were at the backend of last season (Olise) and start of this (Eze).

- We cover the least distance of any team in the league.

- We haven't scored from open play in any of our last 9 Premier League games.

- In the last 5 years, we have the 16th lowest net spend. Of those below us, only 2 (Brighton and Leicester) have been in the PL the whole time. Leicester have sold players for a fortune in that time (Maguire, Chilwell, Mahrez..). We've let 66 players go in the last 5 years, and brought in only £81m.

- In those last 5 years, we've spent less than Forest, Bournemouth and Fulham. Only Watford, Burnley, Sheffield United, Brentford, Norwich, Huddersfield, Cardiff and West Brom have been in the PL and spent less than us in the past 5 years. Leeds and Southampton have spent double. [Link]

- We have 9 of our first team squad out of contract this summer, including 4 of yesterday's starting 11.

Add all that up, and the management of the first team squad looks broken in terms of the week to week output, and the medium term makeup of the squad. It suggests issues at the heart of the club that make it really tough to get excited about anything we're doing.

26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 12 Feb 23 12.28pm
Originally posted by PatrickA What has changed as the season has progressed? At the beginning of the season we were taking games to teams including City and Liverpool, Eze was looking good, Wilf was lively and Anderson was hitting killer 50 yard passes from the back. However, post World Cup our players seem to be suffering from an almighty hangover. In truth we’re fortunate to even get draws v Man Utd, Newcastle and Brighton. I think we will improve when Zaha and Anderson return and hopefully we’ll have more competition in midfield with McArthur back and the two new additions. I do wonder, however, if we have placed to much faith in Eze and Olise. Very talented when the game is played on their terms with lots of time to dwell on the ball, but anonymous for most of the time with little influence on proceedings. They will have to show significant improvement to fulfil their potential. They're not the problem, the team is set up to play in he correct way but we are at the moment totally unable to organise ourselves without the ball.
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Cornwall 12 Feb 23 12.28pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

What has changed as the season has progressed?
At the beginning of the season we were taking games to teams including City and Liverpool, Eze was looking good, Wilf was lively and Anderson was hitting killer 50 yard passes from the back.
However, post World Cup our players seem to be suffering from an almighty hangover.
In truth we’re fortunate to even get draws v Man Utd, Newcastle and Brighton.

I think we will improve when Zaha and Anderson return and hopefully we’ll have more competition in midfield with McArthur back and the two new additions.
I do wonder, however, if we have placed to much faith in Eze and Olise.
Very talented when the game is played on their terms with lots of time to dwell on the ball, but anonymous for most of the time with little influence on proceedings.
They will have to show significant improvement to fulfil their potential.

They're not the problem, the team is set up to play in he correct way but we are at the moment totally unable to organise ourselves without the ball.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 23 12.31pm
Originally posted by andyeagles NEILLO, whats fun about stagnating in the lower half of the premierleague for a decade?? im at that point now where i truely believe being a norwich fan would have been alot more of a better ride having seen several promotions weve been in the prem for ten years you'd have thought by now we'd have had 1 good season and given europe a good decent push if someone had a crystal ball and told me the next 10 years will mirror the last 10 years i can asure you now, id rather take a relegation or 2 and have 2 or 3 promotions from the championship under our belt. I don't disagree with you re the ten years mid table issue. We are the latter day Coventry / Stoke. But look what happened to those clubs. We showed ambition in signing Benteke and Sakho but those deals were hardly roaring successes. Palace have been a tough watch for a good few years now. But there was a level of acceptance that the ends justified the means. Each to their own. Going down doesn't guarantee coming back up again. So I'm not agreeing with you on that bit Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 23 12.31pm

Originally posted by andyeagles

weve been in the prem for ten years you'd have thought by now we'd have had 1 good season and given europe a good decent push

I don't disagree with you re the ten years mid table issue. We are the latter day Coventry / Stoke. But look what happened to those clubs.

We showed ambition in signing Benteke and Sakho but those deals were hardly roaring successes.

Palace have been a tough watch for a good few years now. But there was a level of acceptance that the ends justified the means.

Each to their own. Going down doesn't guarantee coming back up again. So I'm not agreeing with you on that bit

Old, Ungifted and White

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Tickled pink Cornwall 12 Feb 23 12.40pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 The thing that concerns me is that all of the little things that aren't going right could be symptoms of something much more fundamentally wrong. A few examples: - A few key, younger players have clearly gone backwards. Mitchell never has a clue what is behind him at the back post, Eze and Olise a shadow of where they were at the backend of last season (Olise) and start of this (Eze). - We cover the least distance of any team in the league. - We haven't scored from open play in any of our last 9 Premier League games. - In the last 5 years, we have the 16th lowest net spend. Of those below us, only 2 (Brighton and Leicester) have been in the PL the whole time. Leicester have sold players for a fortune in that time (Maguire, Chilwell, Mahrez..). We've let 66 players go in the last 5 years, and brought in only £81m. - In those last 5 years, we've spent less than Forest, Bournemouth and Fulham. Only Watford, Burnley, Sheffield United, Brentford, Norwich, Huddersfield, Cardiff and West Brom have been in the PL and spent less than us in the past 5 years. Leeds and Southampton have spent double. [Link] - We have 9 of our first team squad out of contract this summer, including 4 of yesterday's starting 11. Add all that up, and the management of the first team squad looks broken in terms of the week to week output, and the medium term makeup of the squad. It suggests issues at the heart of the club that make it really tough to get excited about anything we're doing. Say's it all really, I feel the plan is to stumble over the line similar to Roy's last season and then recruit, we have enough decent games to play against sides around and below us so fingers crossed we'll be able to achieve the points we need ..but it won't be pretty at all.
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Cornwall 12 Feb 23 12.40pm

Originally posted by ambrose7

The thing that concerns me is that all of the little things that aren't going right could be symptoms of something much more fundamentally wrong. A few examples:

- We cover the least distance of any team in the league.

- We haven't scored from open play in any of our last 9 Premier League games.

- We have 9 of our first team squad out of contract this summer, including 4 of yesterday's starting 11.

Say's it all really, I feel the plan is to stumble over the line similar to Roy's last season and then recruit, we have enough decent games to play against sides around and below us so fingers crossed we'll be able to achieve the points we need ..but it won't be pretty at all.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 12 Feb 23 12.46pm
Originally posted by NEILLO I don't disagree with you re the ten years mid table issue. We are the latter day Coventry / Stoke. But look what happened to those clubs. We showed ambition in signing Benteke and Sakho but those deals were hardly roaring successes. Palace have been a tough watch for a good few years now. But there was a level of acceptance that the ends justified the means. Each to their own. Going down doesn't guarantee coming back up again. So I'm not agreeing with you on that bit In recent seasons though it does appear the majority of the sides relegated are able to keep themselves in the fight for an immediate return.
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Originally posted by NEILLO

I don't disagree with you re the ten years mid table issue. We are the latter day Coventry / Stoke. But look what happened to those clubs.

We showed ambition in signing Benteke and Sakho but those deals were hardly roaring successes.

Palace have been a tough watch for a good few years now. But there was a level of acceptance that the ends justified the means.

Each to their own. Going down doesn't guarantee coming back up again. So I'm not agreeing with you on that bit

In recent seasons though it does appear the majority of the sides relegated are able to keep themselves in the fight for an immediate return.

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MrRobbo Chaldon 12 Feb 23 12.46pm
Originally posted by YT It's funny...reading the report on BBC Sport and watching the BBC post-match interview with PV, you wouldn't think we'd played badly at all. It comes across as a hard-fought, resilient display for a well-earned point against a really good team. The BBC man singled out Jordan Ayew for giving it everything and PV agreed. I thing if we were playing a bang in form Arsenal or City at home a lot of us would have agreed, but it was a derby. And watching the game you would have never have known.
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Chaldon 12 Feb 23 12.46pm

Originally posted by YT

It's funny...reading the report on BBC Sport and watching the BBC post-match interview with PV, you wouldn't think we'd played badly at all. It comes across as a hard-fought, resilient display for a well-earned point against a really good team. The BBC man singled out Jordan Ayew for giving it everything and PV agreed.

I thing if we were playing a bang in form Arsenal or City at home a lot of us would have agreed, but it was a derby. And watching the game you would have never have known.

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jabber pease pottage 12 Feb 23 12.51pm
I'm not in the viera out camp, but can someone please tell me why we start with two keepers on the bench. What's wrong with using Ozoh or one of the other out field academy player?.
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pease pottage 12 Feb 23 12.51pm

I'm not in the viera out camp, but can someone please tell me why we start with two keepers on the bench. What's wrong with using Ozoh or one of the other out field academy player?.

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monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 12 Feb 23 2.10pm
This season is probably what we were all expecting last season, no-one would’ve thought we would’ve had such a quick transformation, so we’ve definitely gone backwards this season. My biggest frustration is the lack of getting stuck in when opposition players are tippy tapping the ball around, especially yesterday when their most hated player Dunk was given so much time on the ball at the back, it crossed my mind, Ian Wright, Mark Bright or Andy Gray would’ve put him in the stand!! No wonder teams out pass and out play us, we give them far too much time on the ball. At least Will Hughes shows some of that fighting spirit we seem to lack sometimes.
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Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 12 Feb 23 2.10pm

This season is probably what we were all expecting last season, no-one would’ve thought we would’ve had such a quick transformation, so we’ve definitely gone backwards this season.
My biggest frustration is the lack of getting stuck in when opposition players are tippy tapping the ball around, especially yesterday when their most hated player Dunk was given so much time on the ball at the back, it crossed my mind, Ian Wright, Mark Bright or Andy Gray would’ve put him in the stand!!
No wonder teams out pass and out play us, we give them far too much time on the ball. At least Will Hughes shows some of that fighting spirit we seem to lack sometimes.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 12 Feb 23 2.41pm
Our recruitment hasn't been good enough overall in making the transition from low block counter attack to possession based. The club's also buried it's head in the sand to the loss of Gallagher's goals and attacking intensity from last season. It all feels very half arsed and Edouard and Doucoure in particular look really bad value for money IMO. With the injuries to key players and a squad that everyone identified as being thin I don't blame Viera for setting up the way he did yesterday. I expect he was over the moon with the point from the game and that was sort of reflected in his comments post match.
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Our recruitment hasn't been good enough overall in making the transition from low block counter attack to possession based.

The club's also buried it's head in the sand to the loss of Gallagher's goals and attacking intensity from last season.

It all feels very half arsed and Edouard and Doucoure in particular look really bad value for money IMO.

With the injuries to key players and a squad that everyone identified as being thin I don't blame Viera for setting up the way he did yesterday. I expect he was over the moon with the point from the game and that was sort of reflected in his comments post match.

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