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EaglesEaglesEagles Flag 07 Jan 23 10.20pm Send a Private Message to EaglesEaglesEagles Add EaglesEaglesEagles as a friend

Originally posted by stancummins

Im sorry but some of the posts on here are ridiculous. i do think that a number of posters on here love wet panting over the slightest disappointing result(s) The Forest result was disappointing but if Zaha scores the pen it would have been a different result. Fulham i agree was absolute rubbish. Bornemouth we totally owned and should have won by more than the two. Spurs who could of predicted that score at half time our finishing in the first half was dire and Spurs did not have a sniff .They just were ultra clinical in the second half. Today first half again we scored , Ayew missed a sitter and then both Eduard and then Olise missed the simplest of passes to put Zaha clear one on one with the keeper . Three up and game over Southampton Fluked both goals. So out of those 4 games we have only been ripped apart by one team Fulham. I accept we need to freshen/strengthen in a couple of areas but listening to some posts calling for the managers head and calling recent performances as being dire ,try watching the games without the blinkers on. Im sure i will be corrected but i believe we are 3 points better off than same games played last year

Well said. This Palace team is a project I don't want to see ruined by a Sean Dyche and Ashley Barnes combo. That's for if we get relegated.

 


I ain't got nuthin' funny to say. Sorry.

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Jan 23 11.37pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by stancummins

Im sorry but some of the posts on here are ridiculous. i do think that a number of posters on here love wet panting over the slightest disappointing result(s) The Forest result was disappointing but if Zaha scores the pen it would have been a different result. Fulham i agree was absolute rubbish. Bornemouth we totally owned and should have won by more than the two. Spurs who could have predicted that score at half time our finishing in the first half was dire and Spurs did not have a sniff .They just were ultra clinical in the second half. Today first half again we scored , Ayew missed a sitter and then both Eduard and then Olise missed the simplest of passes to put Zaha clear one on one with the keeper . Three up and game over Southampton Fluked both goals. So out of those 4 games we have only been ripped apart by one team Fulham. I accept we need to freshen/strengthen in a couple of areas but listening to some posts calling for the managers head and calling recent performances as being dire ,try watching the games without the blinkers on. Im sure i will be corrected but i believe we are 3 points better off than same games played last year

In the last 6 games we have only scored in two of them, a grand total of 3 goals. We have conceded 10 goals (>3x what we’ve scored) and have also gone out of two cups. More than half of those games have been against promoted teams and one against rock bottom of the table who despite beating us were booed by their own fans at times given they were so poor. It’s 50/50 on games played away/home.

We’ve seen missed penalties, us down to nine men and a host of awful errors including two, leading to two goals, in the game against a team themselves in serious and arguably far worse trouble, at home, today. We hardly brought in any quality in the window, do not look poised to go do this one and have the statistically lowest work rate of any team in the league. It’s almost ubiquitously recognised by fans we have no midfield, despite our manager having been a world class and now legendary midfielder himself, the team seem very low on confidence and effort, we look weak at full back, are struggling to score goals and seem unable to even pass to each other atm.

‘Wet panting’ for me is the usage of a term by somebody looking to virtue signal as a football fan on a fans’ forum - very bizarre. There’s a difference between articulation of genuine, evidence backed concern and becoming hysterical over the imagined or trivial. I don’t believe the current status quo qualifies as such.

Some of the points you have made are not ridiculous at all, plus I believe could be of valuable contribution to consideration. Asserting them off the back of trying to belittle other fans for saying ‘football fan things’ is for me, again, bizarre.

I won’t even go into ‘well if x, y and z then… ’. If my auntie had balls… etc.

Edited by Nicholas91 (07 Jan 2023 11.41pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Jan 23 11.44pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by EaglesEaglesEagles

Well said. This Palace team is a project I don't want to see ruined by a Sean Dyche and Ashley Barnes combo. That's for if we get relegated.

We are obviously going through a 'Sticky patch' which is not unusual for clubs however there is a cushion between ourselves and the relegation zone.The club are looking to bolster the ranks in this 'Window'.
I don't believe there is any consideration at the present time with regards to replacing our manager.

Edited by Willo (07 Jan 2023 11.48pm)

 

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Brasilian Eagle Flag Londres 08 Jan 23 1.48am Send a Private Message to Brasilian Eagle Add Brasilian Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

"I don’t believe the current status quo qualifies as such."

Say what you like Caroline, I know it is not Margarita Time and we may be going Down Down, but Whatever You Want, please do not lay the blame on Francis Rossi and the sad death of Rick Parfitt.

I am confident one day we will be Rocking All Over the World.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 08 Jan 23 8.04am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

What has to change? Straight off, work rate. The next few games are going to determine Vieira's management spell; we'll see which players are going to roll up their sleeves when the going gets tough. The least ground covered stat is totally damning and sums up the lackadaisical attitude on display.

 

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stancummins Flag 08 Jan 23 8.22am Send a Private Message to stancummins Add stancummins as a friend

in respect of their fans booing their manager yesterday ,i was sat directly next to their fans and yes they were singing your football is sh** at their manager during the game but when he came over to them after the game and applauded them they clapped him back and sang his name, how hypocritical is that , but its not much different from some of the gumph on here where a manager who rebuilt a side last year took us to mid table and a cup semi ,and has us mid table this year , is being called to be replaced by Dyche or even Roy ,are you guys having a laugh the only good thing about Covid is that i didnt have to renew my season ticket for a year and a half watching the most mundane tedious football ever

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 08 Jan 23 9.07am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by stancummins

in respect of their fans booing their manager yesterday ,i was sat directly next to their fans and yes they were singing your football is sh** at their manager during the game but when he came over to them after the game and applauded them they clapped him back and sang his name, how hypocritical is that , but its not much different from some of the gumph on here where a manager who rebuilt a side last year took us to mid table and a cup semi ,and has us mid table this year , is being called to be replaced by Dyche or even Roy ,are you guys having a laugh the only good thing about Covid is that i didnt have to renew my season ticket for a year and a half watching the most mundane tedious football ever

This not a blip, this is free fall disarray, chaotic changes, exactly what happened at Nice, sounds like the Nero saga

 


“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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Croydon-Trucker Flag 08 Jan 23 9.14am Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

In the last 6 games we have only scored in two of them, a grand total of 3 goals. We have conceded 10 goals (>3x what we’ve scored) and have also gone out of two cups. More than half of those games have been against promoted teams and one against rock bottom of the table who despite beating us were booed by their own fans at times given they were so poor. It’s 50/50 on games played away/home.

We’ve seen missed penalties, us down to nine men and a host of awful errors including two, leading to two goals, in the game against a team themselves in serious and arguably far worse trouble, at home, today. We hardly brought in any quality in the window, do not look poised to go do this one and have the statistically lowest work rate of any team in the league. It’s almost ubiquitously recognised by fans we have no midfield, despite our manager having been a world class and now legendary midfielder himself, the team seem very low on confidence and effort, we look weak at full back, are struggling to score goals and seem unable to even pass to each other atm.

‘Wet panting’ for me is the usage of a term by somebody looking to virtue signal as a football fan on a fans’ forum - very bizarre. There’s a difference between articulation of genuine, evidence backed concern and becoming hysterical over the imagined or trivial. I don’t believe the current status quo qualifies as such.

Some of the points you have made are not ridiculous at all, plus I believe could be of valuable contribution to consideration. Asserting them off the back of trying to belittle other fans for saying ‘football fan things’ is for me, again, bizarre.

I won’t even go into ‘well if x, y and z then… ’. If my auntie had balls… etc.

Edited by Nicholas91 (07 Jan 2023 11.41pm)

Very well put Nich .

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jan 23 9.23am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad


This not a blip, this is free fall disarray, chaotic changes, exactly what happened at Nice, sounds like the Nero saga

More than once I heard the arguments surrounding PVs departure at Nice, "Second season" "History repeating itself" etc etc.

 

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jabber Flag pease pottage 08 Jan 23 9.27am Send a Private Message to jabber Add jabber as a friend

This situation isn't solely vieras thought nor the players it's the lack of ambition from parish and his Yankee mates not investing,just like noades he'll go with alot more than he came with.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 08 Jan 23 9.38am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

This not a blip, this is free fall disarray, chaotic changes, exactly what happened at Nice, sounds like the Nero saga

Perhaps PV will have some time to reflect upon why his managerial career follows a similar trajectory. In his defence it is clear that the board have not given him the support in the transfer arena he needs to play the kind of game he wants to, and I dare suspect the game Parish wants him to play. It's the FdB saga over again.
Chelsea, Newcastle, Man U, BHA, Brentford, Liverpool, Villa, Man City, Arsenal. Quite a schedule of upcoming fixtures, however if one wishes to thrive and survive in the PL one has to compete. Not strengthening an average squad could well bring his career at Palace to an end. I'd ask what was he expected to do under such circumstances? The next incumbent will be in exactly the same position.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (08 Jan 2023 9.43am)

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 08 Jan 23 9.48am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Perhaps PV will have some time to reflect upon why his managerial career follows a similar trajectory. In his defence it is clear that the board have not given him the support in the transfer arena he needs to play the kind of game he wants to, and I dare suspect the game Parish wants him to play. It's the FdB saga over again.
Chelsea, Newcastle, Man U, BHA, Brentford, Liverpool, Villa, Man City, Arsenal. Quite a schedule of upcoming fixtures, however if one wishes to thrive and survive in the PL on has to compete. Not strengthening an average squad could well bring his career at Palace to an end. I'd ask what was he expected to do under such circumstances? The next incumbent will be in exactly the same position.

That is the problem, a club of our side it is the obligation of the manager to get the most of what he has, not religiously sticking to "his way of playing" when the resources are not available, we are slowly getting out of the Benteke, Sakho, Meyer mistakes, dont get back into it.

 


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