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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 27 Dec 22 12.29pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

For balance yesterday's line up was the one that dominated West Ham apart from Tomkins for Guehi who is able to carry the ball forward and pass well with both feet. I think Silva mentioned Tomkins was targeted in his post match.

 

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Uphill Flag Bedford 27 Dec 22 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

Amidst the justified moans and groans a few on here have pointed out what we have known all season

1. We can't pass the ball
2. We have no cohesion
3. The manager is slow to react with fresh subs (ala Southgate &
Hodgson) and then brings on the wrong ones!
4. A midfield 'general' who can hold the ball until he sees a pass
(like Bannon, Shelvey, etc) is our most desperate need - just
watch Olise, Eze, Zaha and Edouard go if they received some
service !

I would add that no homework was done on Mitrovic, he is a sly often dirty player and reaped his reward against a gullible Tomkins.

 

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aashman12 Flag 27 Dec 22 1.06pm Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

Ayew better than Eze or Olise??.. Wow... I'm lost for words at that...

Edited by kennybrowns leftfoot (27 Dec 2022 12.57am)

Performance wise he has been. What's ezes best 90 mins for us?

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 27 Dec 22 2.05pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

I wouldn’t disagree with any of this, but worth noting that the only difference between the starting XI yesterday and the team who beat West Ham 2-1, and more than matched them for 90 minutes, was Tomkins replacing Guehi. Is Tomkins that bad? Fulham that good? Or did we just look rusty and half asleep for the whole game

..Tomkins is nowhere near match fit and we lost Mitchell after 34 mins making us a player short, how many times have we watched us start as we did against Fulham and then after about half an hour start to slowly improve and then have a real good go in the second half?

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 27 Dec 22 2.09pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by aashman12

Performance wise he has been. What's ezes best 90 mins for us?

Agree, Ayew is the sort of player we very badly need on the pitch especially now, do not and never will understand the shit some fans fire at him.

He created our best moment at Forest and was very unlucky not to score yesterday!

Edited by Tickled pink (27 Dec 2022 2.12pm)

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 27 Dec 22 2.32pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

Amidst the justified moans and groans a few on here have pointed out what we have known all season

1. We can't pass the ball
2. We have no cohesion
3. The manager is slow to react with fresh subs (ala Southgate &
Hodgson) and then brings on the wrong ones!
4. A midfield 'general' who can hold the ball until he sees a pass
(like Bannon, Shelvey, etc) is our most desperate need - just
watch Olise, Eze, Zaha and Edouard go if they received some
service !

I would add that no homework was done on Mitrovic, he is a sly often dirty player and reaped his reward against a gullible Tomkins.

No amount of homework can help a team like ours when reduced to ten and Fulham to some degree made us play the way we did.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Dec 22 2.45pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

I would have been fuming after yesterday's game at that performance in isolation. But it followed the pre World Cup match at Forest that was well below standard too. So there appears to be little that has been learned in between those games.

Another shocker at Bournemouth and we will have a real problem.

We lack strength in depth. For example our centre backs have no genuine competition for their places. Instead we wheel Tompkins out for the occasional cameo and unsurprisingly he struggles.

Midfield is a shambles with no balance to it.

Up front it would appear that Vieira has lost faith in both Edouard and Mateta.

As I mentioned on another thread, it's a worry that Parish seems to think this squad needs little help in the second half of the season.

Saturday's game has grown in importance now.

 


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aashman12 Flag 27 Dec 22 4.28pm Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

Originally posted by thai-eagle

We will see how much the gaffer has learnt when he puts out his chosen 11 with Bournemouth as opposition.
I would like to see:
Guieta
Clyne - Andersen - Guehi - Riedewald
Luka - Doucoure - Hughes (beef up the midfield)
Olise - Edouard/Mateta - Zaha

PS! Anyone know what has happened to keeper Johnstone?

Out injured for 2 months with a coccyx issue

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Dec 22 4.32pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by thai-eagle

We will see how much the gaffer has learnt when he puts out his chosen 11 with Bournemouth as opposition.
I would like to see:
Guieta
Clyne - Andersen - Guehi - Riedewald
Luka - Doucoure - Hughes (beef up the midfield)
Olise - Edouard/Mateta - Zaha

PS! Anyone know what has happened to keeper Johnstone?

Hughes to beef up the midfield. Hmmmmm

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 27 Dec 22 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Hughes to beef up the midfield. Hmmmmm

More of a thin frying steak I reckon but he deserves a chance, he can’t be less effective than Schlupp, Eze and Olise were yesterday. Of course we all know Eze/Olise can be superb and Schlupp can be a very effective impact player, but only in front of an effective defensive midfield.

I would be tempted to go 4-4-1-1 next game.

Guaita
Ward, Anderson, Guehi, Riedewald
Ayew, Hughes, Doucoure, Zaha
Eze
Edouard

Eze needs to be the link up player, Ayew and Zaha providing the width and Doucoure/Hughes holding.

 

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thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 27 Dec 22 6.35pm Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Agree, Ayew is the sort of player we very badly need on the pitch especially now, do not and never will understand the shit some fans fire at him.

He created our best moment at Forest and was very unlucky not to score yesterday!

How many times did he lost the ball or passed to a Fulham player_ I lost count and if we need him on the pitch, we ARE in trouble.


Edited by Tickled pink (27 Dec 2022 2.12pm)

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 27 Dec 22 6.53pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

I’m no Ayew fan, but he does get stuck in and until Olise can put in the same effort and defensive work then Ayew edges it on the right, certainly for the first 60 minutes.

If you could morph the best attributes of Ayew and Olise you would have a very good player.

 

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