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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Dec 22 11.52am
Starmer is correct, we never had these problems under Blair/Brown as the NHS was always adequately funded and public service workers paid fairly and taxes linked to inflation. A lost decade for the nation and another one coming up, according to the CBI chief. There are a lot of greedy selfish people in the UK who contribute nothing, who nevertheless expect working families to serve them. Time for them to cough up.
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Croydon 12 Dec 22 11.52am

Starmer is correct, we never had these problems under Blair/Brown as the NHS was always adequately funded and public service workers paid fairly and taxes linked to inflation.

A lost decade for the nation and another one coming up, according to the CBI chief.

There are a lot of greedy selfish people in the UK who contribute nothing, who nevertheless expect working families to serve them.

Time for them to cough up.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Dec 22 12.14pm
Amazing overlap between leave voters who were so keen to give more money to our NHS and look after our own and those who find the prospect of paying our own a decent salary somehow disgraceful. There's over 40,000 nursing vacancies in this country - at which point do we accept that the current offering just isn't worthwhile? Everyone keeps referencing the private sector, but if you had a private sector company with those type of vacancy rates, you can bet your life they'd increase the salary offered.
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Amazing overlap between leave voters who were so keen to give more money to our NHS and look after our own and those who find the prospect of paying our own a decent salary somehow disgraceful.

There's over 40,000 nursing vacancies in this country - at which point do we accept that the current offering just isn't worthwhile?

Everyone keeps referencing the private sector, but if you had a private sector company with those type of vacancy rates, you can bet your life they'd increase the salary offered.

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becky over the moon 12 Dec 22 12.20pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Starmer is correct, we never had these problems under Blair/Brown as the NHS was always adequately funded and public service workers paid fairly and taxes linked to inflation. A lost decade for the nation and another one coming up, according to the CBI chief. There are a lot of greedy selfish people in the UK who contribute nothing, who nevertheless expect working families to serve them. Time for them to cough up. Great idea - cutting benefits would put a lot more in the pot for pay rises and the starvation of the lazy/unwilling would reduce the population/housing shortage a treat. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 12 Dec 22 12.20pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Starmer is correct, we never had these problems under Blair/Brown as the NHS was always adequately funded and public service workers paid fairly and taxes linked to inflation.

A lost decade for the nation and another one coming up, according to the CBI chief.

There are a lot of greedy selfish people in the UK who contribute nothing, who nevertheless expect working families to serve them.

Time for them to cough up.

Great idea - cutting benefits would put a lot more in the pot for pay rises and the starvation of the lazy/unwilling would reduce the population/housing shortage a treat.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 12 Dec 22 12.30pm
Originally posted by becky Great idea - cutting benefits would put a lot more in the pot for pay rises and the starvation of the lazy/unwilling would reduce the population/housing shortage a treat. Given most people on UC are working, it wouldn't, it would just result in more strikes as you'd have even more people working out that their salary doesn't afford them a decent standard of living despite going to work every day. Also benefit fraud is absolutely dwarfed by the tax gap so it's a very inefficient way to go about raising monies. And I mean more broadly talk of starvation of benefit claimants, even if in jest, is pretty grim.
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SE19 12 Dec 22 12.30pm

Originally posted by becky

Great idea - cutting benefits would put a lot more in the pot for pay rises and the starvation of the lazy/unwilling would reduce the population/housing shortage a treat.

Given most people on UC are working, it wouldn't, it would just result in more strikes as you'd have even more people working out that their salary doesn't afford them a decent standard of living despite going to work every day.

Also benefit fraud is absolutely dwarfed by the tax gap so it's a very inefficient way to go about raising monies.

And I mean more broadly talk of starvation of benefit claimants, even if in jest, is pretty grim.

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nectoneagle necton 12 Dec 22 1.16pm
Ok guys here is how i see things,l am a 73 year old and have seen 4 recessions ,been made redundant 3 times and earnt less in 2005 than in 1990.Public sector workers have the best pensions in the country and the best sick pay etc. When Thatcher hammered the unions she left the public sector alone ,which at the time including the railways and post office. My local postie has had an knee operation and will have 3 months sick pay on full pay,would this happen in the private sector.
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necton 12 Dec 22 1.16pm

Ok guys here is how i see things,l am a 73 year old and have seen 4 recessions ,been made redundant 3 times and earnt less in 2005 than in 1990.Public sector workers have the best pensions in the country and the best sick pay etc.
When Thatcher hammered the unions she left the public sector alone ,which at the time including the railways and post office.
My local postie has had an knee operation and will have 3 months sick pay on full pay,would this happen in the private sector.

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Dec 22 2.56pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Given most people on UC are working, it wouldn't, it would just result in more strikes as you'd have even more people working out that their salary doesn't afford them a decent standard of living despite going to work every day. Also benefit fraud is absolutely dwarfed by the tax gap so it's a very inefficient way to go about raising monies. And I mean more broadly talk of starvation of benefit claimants, even if in jest, is pretty grim. The tax gap? What exactly is this as tax is paid by paye and without any irregularities. If you mean the ultra wealthy should pay more is it because they can as the top few % cover a huge amount of hmg tax take as it is.
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The garden of England 12 Dec 22 2.56pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Also benefit fraud is absolutely dwarfed by the tax gap so it's a very inefficient way to go about raising monies.

And I mean more broadly talk of starvation of benefit claimants, even if in jest, is pretty grim.

The tax gap? What exactly is this as tax is paid by paye and without any irregularities.
If you mean the ultra wealthy should pay more is it because they can as the top few % cover a huge amount of hmg tax take as it is.

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The Dolphin 13 Dec 22 11.56am
Originally posted by nectoneagle Ok guys here is how i see things,l am a 73 year old and have seen 4 recessions ,been made redundant 3 times and earnt less in 2005 than in 1990.Public sector workers have the best pensions in the country and the best sick pay etc. When Thatcher hammered the unions she left the public sector alone ,which at the time including the railways and post office. My local postie has had an knee operation and will have 3 months sick pay on full pay,would this happen in the private sector. 100% spot on!
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The Dolphin

13 Dec 22 11.56am

Originally posted by nectoneagle

100% spot on!

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The Dolphin 13 Dec 22 11.57am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Starmer is correct, we never had these problems under Blair/Brown as the NHS was always adequately funded and public service workers paid fairly and taxes linked to inflation. A lost decade for the nation and another one coming up, according to the CBI chief. There are a lot of greedy selfish people in the UK who contribute nothing, who nevertheless expect working families to serve them. Time for them to cough up. Easy to pretend you are funding it properly when you cut more beds than any other government in power ever di before or after! There are also a lot of people at the lower end who expect me top pay for them as well - your views are so ridiculously one sided that they bear no discussion Edited by The Dolphin (13 Dec 2022 11.58am)
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13 Dec 22 11.57am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Starmer is correct, we never had these problems under Blair/Brown as the NHS was always adequately funded and public service workers paid fairly and taxes linked to inflation.

A lost decade for the nation and another one coming up, according to the CBI chief.

There are a lot of greedy selfish people in the UK who contribute nothing, who nevertheless expect working families to serve them.

Time for them to cough up.

Easy to pretend you are funding it properly when you cut more beds than any other government in power ever di before or after!

There are also a lot of people at the lower end who expect me top pay for them as well - your views are so ridiculously one sided that they bear no discussion

Edited by The Dolphin (13 Dec 2022 11.58am)

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footythoughts Beckenham 14 Dec 22 10.11am
I often don't agree with unions and their tactics, but they are certainly there for their members when governments seek to turn the screw. When we consider how utterly inept again and again the government is at putting interests of the population to the fore, in part resulting in the situation we're in now as a country, we should see unions are more of a blueprint to emulate on some level than something to quash.
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Beckenham 14 Dec 22 10.11am

I often don't agree with unions and their tactics, but they are certainly there for their members when governments seek to turn the screw. When we consider how utterly inept again and again the government is at putting interests of the population to the fore, in part resulting in the situation we're in now as a country, we should see unions are more of a blueprint to emulate on some level than something to quash.

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Midlands Eagle 14 Dec 22 10.22am
Originally posted by footythoughts I often don't agree with unions and their tactics, but they are certainly there for their members when governments seek to turn the screw. But are they though? How much in wages have the railway workers lost so far in unpaid strike days which will in all probability wipe out whatever raise they eventually get
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Originally posted by footythoughts

I often don't agree with unions and their tactics, but they are certainly there for their members when governments seek to turn the screw.

But are they though? How much in wages have the railway workers lost so far in unpaid strike days which will in all probability wipe out whatever raise they eventually get

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 14 Dec 22 11.13am
Originally posted by footythoughts I often don't agree with unions and their tactics, but they are certainly there for their members when governments seek to turn the screw. When we consider how utterly inept again and again the government is at putting interests of the population to the fore, in part resulting in the situation we're in now as a country, we should see unions are more of a blueprint to emulate on some level than something to quash. It seems that in today's world protests and strikes are designed to cause maximum damage to the maximum number of people, the hope being that the innocent public that are inconvenienced will somehow support those causing the inconvenience. So, in the case of the train strike workers how about this: Don't man the ticket offices and leave the barriers open but run the trains as per normal. The result is that the public get to travel for free and are not inconvenienced yet no money is going into the coffers of those that make the decisions. Is that too simple a solution or do the unions have some form of sadistic mentality? hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by footythoughts

It seems that in today's world protests and strikes are designed to cause maximum damage to the maximum number of people, the hope being that the innocent public that are inconvenienced will somehow support those causing the inconvenience. So, in the case of the train strike workers how about this:
Don't man the ticket offices and leave the barriers open but run the trains as per normal. The result is that the public get to travel for free and are not inconvenienced yet no money is going into the coffers of those that make the decisions.

Is that too simple a solution or do the unions have some form of sadistic mentality?

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Dec 22 12.22pm
I see the nurses are striking en masse. Very worrying for me. They are such an indispensably valuable part of society that having them on strike is of course a huge cause for concern but equally I fully support both their right, and even more so, the necessity for them to do so. Bad times. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Dec 22 12.22pm

I see the nurses are striking en masse.

Very worrying for me. They are such an indispensably valuable part of society that having them on strike is of course a huge cause for concern but equally I fully support both their right, and even more so, the necessity for them to do so. Bad times.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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