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Midlands Eagle 18 Nov 22 7.31pm
Originally posted by cryrst I’ve done beans on toast for a week. I was lucky as I was redundant in the early nineties living in Torquay when the supermarkets decided to have a price war over turkeys and we bought a large turkey for a fiver that we made last a week and then on Saturday we bought another one
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Originally posted by cryrst

I’ve done beans on toast for a week.

I was lucky as I was redundant in the early nineties living in Torquay when the supermarkets decided to have a price war over turkeys and we bought a large turkey for a fiver that we made last a week and then on Saturday we bought another one

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Spiderman Horsham 18 Nov 22 7.49pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle But it isn't workable in practice unless you build a huge Trump style wall across the border Worked for the Romans
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Horsham 18 Nov 22 7.49pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

But it isn't workable in practice unless you build a huge Trump style wall across the border

Worked for the Romans

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Midlands Eagle 19 Nov 22 6.22am
Originally posted by Spiderman Worked for the Romans Whatever else have the Romans ever done for us?
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19 Nov 22 6.22am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Worked for the Romans

Whatever else have the Romans ever done for us?

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YT Oxford 19 Nov 22 8.13am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Whatever else have the Romans ever done for us? Ha ha. My dogs wish they hadn't given us the Roman Candle. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 19 Nov 22 8.13am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Whatever else have the Romans ever done for us?

Ha ha.

My dogs wish they hadn't given us the Roman Candle.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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silvertop Portishead 19 Nov 22 9.37am
Originally posted by Badger11 PR sounds like a fair system however in practice it means that as no one has a majority they have to do deals to form a coalition which means inevitably that a small party has too much power e.g. DUP and Mrs May. The tail should not wag the dog. But the tail should still wag. Power sharing should mean just what it says. The "weak government" myth is a creation of the two parties who are well served by FPTP.
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Portishead 19 Nov 22 9.37am

Originally posted by Badger11

PR sounds like a fair system however in practice it means that as no one has a majority they have to do deals to form a coalition which means inevitably that a small party has too much power e.g. DUP and Mrs May.

The tail should not wag the dog.

But the tail should still wag. Power sharing should mean just what it says.

The "weak government" myth is a creation of the two parties who are well served by FPTP.

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Nov 22 12.31pm
Originally posted by silvertop But the tail should still wag. Power sharing should mean just what it says. The "weak government" myth is a creation of the two parties who are well served by FPTP. Not if it goes against the wishes of the majority. One more point
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Beckenham 19 Nov 22 12.31pm

Originally posted by silvertop

But the tail should still wag. Power sharing should mean just what it says.

The "weak government" myth is a creation of the two parties who are well served by FPTP.

Not if it goes against the wishes of the majority.

One more point

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YT Oxford 20 Nov 22 7.52am
'Sally Traffic' on BBC Radio 2 thinks Scotland independence has already happened. Yesterday she began a traffic update with: "Heavy rain is still causing much disruption in Scotland and the UK" Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 20 Nov 22 7.52am

'Sally Traffic' on BBC Radio 2 thinks Scotland independence has already happened. Yesterday she began a traffic update with:

"Heavy rain is still causing much disruption in Scotland and the UK"

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Nov 22 8.30am
Labour will abolish the House of Lords, about time. However what they replace it with is always the question. Aa long as it is directly elected and not too big that is fine by me. One more point
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Beckenham 20 Nov 22 8.30am

Labour will abolish the House of Lords, about time. However what they replace it with is always the question. Aa long as it is directly elected and not too big that is fine by me.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 22 8.46am
Originally posted by Badger11 Labour will abolish the House of Lords, about time. However what they replace it with is always the question. Aa long as it is directly elected and not too big that is fine by me. I doubt whether they will actually do it, or if they try succeed. Reform, yes, but abolish no. The last thing I think we want, in our system, is a directly elected second chamber without any legislative power, but with the capacity to obfuscate and delay. Having a second chamber of the wise, experienced and trusted to cast their eyes over proposed legislation before it passes into law and to investigate and propose action on matters of concern, makes sense to me. You can call them whatever you like. Just remove the hereditary elements and all is good. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 20 Nov 22 8.46am

Originally posted by Badger11

Labour will abolish the House of Lords, about time. However what they replace it with is always the question. Aa long as it is directly elected and not too big that is fine by me.

I doubt whether they will actually do it, or if they try succeed. Reform, yes, but abolish no.

The last thing I think we want, in our system, is a directly elected second chamber without any legislative power, but with the capacity to obfuscate and delay.

Having a second chamber of the wise, experienced and trusted to cast their eyes over proposed legislation before it passes into law and to investigate and propose action on matters of concern, makes sense to me. You can call them whatever you like. Just remove the hereditary elements and all is good.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Nov 22 9.19am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I doubt whether they will actually do it, or if they try succeed. Reform, yes, but abolish no. The last thing I think we want, in our system, is a directly elected second chamber without any legislative power, but with the capacity to obfuscate and delay. Having a second chamber of the wise, experienced and trusted to cast their eyes over proposed legislation before it passes into law and to investigate and propose action on matters of concern, makes sense to me. You can call them whatever you like. Just remove the hereditary elements and all is good. Very predictable you sticking up for the establishment. Elected 2nd Chambers work perfectly well in most other countries. As for them holding up legislation well the unelected House of Lords has done that many times, especially Brexit, but you were fine with that but your not fine with a democratic house doing that. Anyway the answer to that is to define in law what the new HOL or Senate is allowed to do. One more point
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Beckenham 20 Nov 22 9.19am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I doubt whether they will actually do it, or if they try succeed. Reform, yes, but abolish no.

The last thing I think we want, in our system, is a directly elected second chamber without any legislative power, but with the capacity to obfuscate and delay.

Very predictable you sticking up for the establishment.

Elected 2nd Chambers work perfectly well in most other countries. As for them holding up legislation well the unelected House of Lords has done that many times, especially Brexit, but you were fine with that but your not fine with a democratic house doing that.

Anyway the answer to that is to define in law what the new HOL or Senate is allowed to do.

One more point

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silvertop Portishead 20 Nov 22 9.20am
Originally posted by Badger11 Not if it goes against the wishes of the majority. You're not really getting this coalition lark are you?
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Portishead 20 Nov 22 9.20am

Originally posted by Badger11

Not if it goes against the wishes of the majority.

You're not really getting this coalition lark are you?

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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Nov 22 9.29am
Originally posted by silvertop You're not really getting this coalition lark are you? In the event of a hung parliament Labour makes nice with the Greens and the SNP and propose a socialist agenda, so far so good. But what if the Greens demand a ban on all cars and Labour desperate for power agree. So millions of Tory voters and even millions of Labour voters are ignored because a policy that only a minority wanted is foisted on the majority.An extreme example to illustrate my point. There can be common ground between parties which their supporters would have no problem with e.g. spending more money on the NHS. However look at the uproar over the Mrs May / DUP deal which was a coalition in all but name and no one voted for. One more point
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Beckenham 20 Nov 22 9.29am

Originally posted by silvertop

You're not really getting this coalition lark are you?

In the event of a hung parliament Labour makes nice with the Greens and the SNP and propose a socialist agenda, so far so good. But what if the Greens demand a ban on all cars and Labour desperate for power agree.

So millions of Tory voters and even millions of Labour voters are ignored because a policy that only a minority wanted is foisted on the majority.An extreme example to illustrate my point.

There can be common ground between parties which their supporters would have no problem with e.g. spending more money on the NHS.

However look at the uproar over the Mrs May / DUP deal which was a coalition in all but name and no one voted for.

One more point

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