Until the reaction of the Left to both Brexit and then Trump, I would have fully agreed with you.

But then, because the Left did not like either result, they tried everything to overturn both. And as a consequence, the acceptance of 'Liberal Democracy' as a common denominator is now over.

Personally, my hope is that nations can effectively have peaceful secessions so that the Right and the Left can go their separate ways. And I suspect the Right would be more than happy to divide but the Left will not let it happen.

Hence there will be increasing conflict. There is no more common ground. Somehow we need to be able to effectively live apart.

All legal ways of championing their case, or opposition to the Brexit outcome. Through the courts.

When that was exhausted, it was carry on.

When the court cases went against them, there were no cries of' It was illegally stolen' and then a storming of Parliament, with weapons, no deaths.

Come on, don't insult my, and millions of other voters, by trying to draw a complete comparison. You make yourself look like a deluded fool, Matov.

But why would you champion a cause that was lost in a binary referendum? Or oppose the outcome of what was the single biggest exercise in pure democracy this country had ever seen? Huge turn-out, every vote equally weighted, no claims of any voter fraud.

Bloody hell, you even had a Government actively pushing for a Remain vote extending the registration period for voters because they felt it would benefit their side. The Remain side was offered every advantage possible and lost. Fair and square.

If you hold the value of democracy in such high stead, why on earth would you do anything to prevent that result being acted upon? What does that make the people trying to do such a thing?

For me, it makes them utter scum. Your view?

Well, although I take your point that it was not received well by remainers, they felt they may have had a legal case in questioning the result so they pursued it: well within their rights to do so through the courts, even if that may seem churlish and sticks in your throat.

Since the legal challenge failed to get the desired result, I would say that most citizens have just 'got on with it' (typically British lol).

I do think your reaction of referring to them as 'scum' is totally OTT and such comments only help to raise the temperature over what is, essentially, a difference of opinion.

It may surprise you to hear that I voted Brexit myself. There's no way I would refer to remainers as 'scum'. I quite understand many of the reasons why they wanted to stay in and, indeed, how jacked off they were to lose the vote.

We need to desist, I feel, from 'scum' like comments over this issue.

The Daily Mail reports that police officers were beaten with sticks and CNN writes this:

The floor of the Congress building was flooded after the sprinkler system activated when protesters attempted to set fire to the carpet, according to CNN Brasil. Additional videos showed protesters inside the building taking gifts received from international delegations and destroying artwork.

Brazil’s Presidential Communications Minister Paulo Pimenta described how there was blood, feces and urine found in the palace rooms. “Onlookers said they seemed beside themselves with hate, like a horde of zombies. They were running down hallways, smashing things, urinating, defecating in the corridors and in the rooms on one destruction spree,”

Not quite the armed/militia - style force of their armed US capitol comrades but a very bad copycat event.

Let's remind everyone.

No shots were fired from protestors/rioters/insurgents/angel dust fairies, whatever slant someone wants to put from it.

The same can't be said for the 18 months of rioting in cities by their activists that the same 'so shocked' Democrats fostered, encouraged and pardoned.

The one shot what was fired at someone on January 6th (a day apparently worse than Peal Harbour) was by the security service at a woman posing zero threat.....the officer being whitewashed and cleared of her death by his political protectors.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Jan 2023 3.04pm)