Well, it seems to me that there are those on here who support Trump.

It is also likely that there are many Trump supporters who subscribe to the conspiracy theories (beliefs?), many of whom are strong NRA supporters who would like to undermine the anti-gun lobby.

Many of these would also be the gun-toting, far - right supporters (in many cases white supremacists) who sought to use force to overcome an election result by force.

Free speech? Many of these followers are not averse to physically threatening (and worse) those who might be considered to be 'bad' or biased reporters at the scenes of rallies etc of said types. All in the name of 'free speech'. Ironically.

Accusations thrown about by Jones over this horrendous episode might be said to be inflaming such supporters and, although he might, disingenuously, say he's not responsible for how people react to such accusations, he well knows what he is doing by fanning the flames.

In typical Trump fashion, he asserts that he's said sorry and taking it any further by holding him to account is, therefore, turning it into a 'witch hunt', attempting to spin the events so that he becomes the victim.

This, surely, must raise many questions for debate and, although todays news is the latest chapter, it's not a new story at all so writing my post at 6.15 am is neither here nor there.

What is 'disturbing' is that there has been a deafening silence on this forum, where so many like to trumpet the values of free speech and how the disgraceful 'lefties' have taken over the free speech agenda.

Whatever one's views, this surely, is at the centre of such a debate.

I can't help thinking that, had these events been stirred up by the common hate figures here - 'the left' - there would have been a tummult of outrage.

Unless, of course, one disbelieves the stories of the disgusting repercussions of his libelous accusations, the cost to grief-stricken parents and relatives just doesn't bear thinking about. As shocking as it gets, surely.

Yet?

Nothing. Not a dickie bird. Or did I miss it?

Edited by Glazier#1 (13 Oct 2022 6.59pm)

Perhaps Glazier isn't aware of the fact that these issues have already been commented about on the Hol many many times. The Jones situation was covered, January 6th, Antifa/BLM rioting, political persecution and the Democrat's attitude towards free speech have been referred to many times.

Apparently we should be eager to continually and pointlessly repeat the same arguments. Personally I think these debates have long since become kind of pointless. What will happen in the US has long since become inevitable and it's just a matter of when.

Unless I feel particularly animated by something it's hard to gather the enthusiasm to repeat myself and it's far more interesting sometimes to just watch it all.

There was nothing wrong with your post....nicely combative and from the left perspective. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm just a bit bored with it all.

Maybe it's this chest infection I've got.....It's all pretty downbeat at Stirling Towers at the moment.

I reckon some holers have had to use a Kleenex to clean their phone screen today!

Unless, of course, one disbelieves the stories of the disgusting repercussions of his libelous accusations, the cost to grief-stricken parents and relatives just doesn't bear thinking about. As shocking as it gets, surely.

Edited by Glazier#1 (13 Oct 2022 6.59pm)