Yeah, I'm sure I remember Bernard Breslaw dressed as a girl with his big hairy knackers hanging out the bottom of a skirt

Doesn’t it affect your “bragging” rights though

That's not true, though, is it?

We are not discussing flamboyant, attention seeking drag artists.

You would never know whether the kind of person we are discussing has transitioned, when they think, look, behave and dress like a woman.

What is being demanded is the precise opposite. You are expecting them to be forced to go along with your wishes and put themselves at risk by using male changing rooms and toilets.

Men who remain as men and attempt to take advantage of this (even if there is little or no evidence this actually happens) need to be treated separately.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

It is unscientific, in fact it is 'anti-science'. You show me the evidence an individual can magically change their gender and I will concede. Gender is attributed through genetics and biological make up, not subjective opinion.

You also show me any evidence that women, within the confines of a dressing room or toilet, are more or even equally, or even anything close to be the victim of, or more vulnerable to, other woman as they are to a man and again I will rethink my position. I'd also like to see any evidence that a significant let alone majority of females agree to this. I think Primark are the latest to come under fire for caving into illogical and ideological nonsense.

It is not unsubstantiated, it is a fact that humans, as biological creatures, are what they are. There is nothing to dispute this. I'm not saying your grandchild may be deluded in their belief that they are something else other than what they are but it is a biological fact, once again. You are only harming a delusional person by indulging this fantasy. If their choice is to live, dress and act as a different gender that is their prerogative and freedom however it is not scientific by even the remotest stretch of any imagination and should not be treated as such.

For all your ideological nonsense, to which you are just as entitled as others are to disagree, do not get involved in debates which rely upon more than your subjective opinions, you literally have nothing in this one. I can only hope the best for your grandchild however if they are surrounded by those so completely lost in their thinking as you have demonstrated, I do at the very least pity them.

This has nothing to do with prejudices so stop pathetically resorting to your childish and yet again intellectually bereft snipes which are nothing less than an attempt to deflect debate.

Edited by Nicholas91 (29 Sep 2022 6.15pm)

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

when they start that political shyte....you can hear all the dollars just fly out the door.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

I have a vision of cabin crew member born a male but identifying themselves as a female wearing a skirt and high-heels with a name tag of "Virginia", followed by "They call me Virgin for short but not for long" !