I disagree... on disagreeing.

Your views on what I would articulate as a more literal and 'fundamental' adherence to Islam in it's purest form, where very old mantras, attitudes and justification for uses of violence are adhered to are exactly the same as mine I'd say. It's very tempting for me to channel a very violent voice within myself that wants to berate, mock and even dehumanise those that espouse such beliefs. At the very least I would say it is beyond moronic to suggest it remotely chimes with modern British society and I would reject any notion that we must bend to satisfy the needs of others who are actively choosing to live here predominantly to benefit from the successes of our country. I need not explain the expected consequences of me trying to open a Wetherspoons in X devout Muslim location where I can hold Karaoke night on Fridays and protect the right of people to walk through villages starting punch ups and singing football songs a O's in the morning on weekends.

The 'what about' argument is only valid if you saw similar actions play out from another similar source, which we do not these days. We see far more violence in 'the name of Islam' than we do any other religion in modern times. It'd be the same way if anyone took something out of context from the Bible and started quite literally re-enacting it in modern society but that rarely if ever happens.

That's my dilution or at the very least the expected tailoring of the beliefs of those wishing to live here argument. The emphasis should not be on us to change but them. My point is I have seen this play out as such and the odd compromise can be reached but at an extreme of the spectrum it's ludicrous to suggest we should accept any diagnosed detriment, loss, or impact on our society and culture. To bring that back round to the original point I believe in many instances we have seen that play out, I certainly, personally have. I don't accept any argument that suggests we should entertain that thought let alone pursue it. My strongest belief is that those who actively choose to live in a different society should look to integrate as best they can, if they choose not to then fine, don't come or f**k off, we don't owe it to you. To then badge anyone who 'identifies' as Muslim but has actively sought and attempted to integrate themselves in the same bracket as some nut-job or halfwit committing an atrocity they might claim in the name of the same religion is more me equally illogical as previous points made.

To summarise in short, I do believe that integration is possible but what I reject in equal measures is that we have to accept and accommodate any extreme religious views or the assertion that all who practice a religion observe it at that extreme of the spectrum. I'm running out of steam here Matov!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

It's indefensible, but he was quite happy to cost the taxpayer a huge amount in protection from a country he despises

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Islam doing Islam things

The mountains are calling & I must go.

We have allowed a load of medieval religious lunatics to come and live in our home and now they wish to deprive us of the free speech and enlightenment that we worked so hard for.

It's that simple.

I don't care if people believe in the teaching of the Koran or how they interpret it. That is there problem.
It becomes our problem when they threaten our freedoms and those we care about.

At that point, we need to act to protect our society.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Aug 2022 10.43am)

Will this attack be condemned by all the churches & synagogues in Saudi ?

Or will it be condemned by the substantial number of Muslim ladies , in the West, with a Western husband/boyfriend ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (13 Aug 2022 11.44am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford