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HeathMan Purley 08 Jun 22 10.46pm | |
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Someone must have told the faithful about the film not being suitable. We will never know how many islamic teachers have sat through the film.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 22 11.18pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
According to Wisbech, these issues simply do not exist, everyone gets along famously. When have I ever said that? I have criticised the destructive impact of religious dogma here very often. What I don't do is give any one religion a free pass. They all create problems, some worse than others, but none without any. I condemn anyone seeking to force a film not to be shown, every bit as much as I would condemn anyone being forced to watch something if they don't want to. What I want to see is the application of common standards of behaviour for all religions. People can believe whatever they like, but must practice their religion in private and not in any spaces shared with non-believers. I don't want to see religion, any religion, on the public square or in our schools, which should all be completely secular. Schools should teach about religions, but not a religion, or be run by a religious organisation. That applies to all. Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or Muslim. We need to make a clear, unequivocal statement about that, and apply it to everyone. That it would be resisted, and cause problems, is undoubtedly true, but ultimately it would remove many of the reasons for tensions. Religious belief has been in decline for decades, and we are now a nation of non-believers. Those non-believers need to find a voice and stop any drift backwards to religious intolerance of non-belief. We can tolerate religion, but only where and when it doesn't impact us.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 22 7.56am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When have I ever said that? I have criticised the destructive impact of religious dogma here very often. What I don't do is give any one religion a free pass. They all create problems, some worse than others, but none without any. I condemn anyone seeking to force a film not to be shown, every bit as much as I would condemn anyone being forced to watch something if they don't want to. What I want to see is the application of common standards of behaviour for all religions. People can believe whatever they like, but must practice their religion in private and not in any spaces shared with non-believers. I don't want to see religion, any religion, on the public square or in our schools, which should all be completely secular. Schools should teach about religions, but not a religion, or be run by a religious organisation. That applies to all. Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or Muslim. We need to make a clear, unequivocal statement about that, and apply it to everyone. That it would be resisted, and cause problems, is undoubtedly true, but ultimately it would remove many of the reasons for tensions. Religious belief has been in decline for decades, and we are now a nation of non-believers. Those non-believers need to find a voice and stop any drift backwards to religious intolerance of non-belief. We can tolerate religion, but only where and when it doesn't impact us.
This is an odd contradiction on your part. Like me, you are no fan of religion and yet you are happy to see hundreds of thousands of Muslims come here who are far more of a risk to our culture, freedoms and security than some old grey haired Christian who watches Songs of Praise.
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georgenorman 09 Jun 22 8.17am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When have I ever said that? I have criticised the destructive impact of religious dogma here very often. What I don't do is give any one religion a free pass. They all create problems, some worse than others, but none without any. I condemn anyone seeking to force a film not to be shown, every bit as much as I would condemn anyone being forced to watch something if they don't want to. What I want to see is the application of common standards of behaviour for all religions. People can believe whatever they like, but must practice their religion in private and not in any spaces shared with non-believers. I don't want to see religion, any religion, on the public square or in our schools, which should all be completely secular. Schools should teach about religions, but not a religion, or be run by a religious organisation. That applies to all. Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or Muslim. We need to make a clear, unequivocal statement about that, and apply it to everyone. That it would be resisted, and cause problems, is undoubtedly true, but ultimately it would remove many of the reasons for tensions. Religious belief has been in decline for decades, and we are now a nation of non-believers. Those non-believers need to find a voice and stop any drift backwards to religious intolerance of non-belief. We can tolerate religion, but only where and when it doesn't impact us. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jun 2022 11.22pm) It is part of your our grandchildren will have no problems, all racial/religious/cultural problems wil simply fade away in time. You would just replace it with secular dogma which would also impact us.
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Matov 09 Jun 22 8.28am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The religion of the 21st century.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 22 9.12am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It is part of your our grandchildren will have no problems, all racial/religious/cultural problems wil simply fade away in time. You would just replace it with secular dogma which would also impact us. I partly agree with Wisbech here. What people believe is up to them, but organised religion is a scourge. Of course there is a big issue with what replaces religion, but keeping one insanity to avoid another is not a logical argument in this context. Some of us are happy to worship at the altar of Woke and surrender to 'inevitable change'. This is as much as a delusion in its own way as believing in sky fairies. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2022 9.15am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 22 9.21am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This is an odd contradiction on your part. Like me, you are no fan of religion and yet you are happy to see hundreds of thousands of Muslims come here who are far more of a risk to our culture, freedoms and security than some old grey haired Christian who watches Songs of Praise. I have never said that either. I just am a realist. They are here, so now they are, we need to ensure they under no illusions about what living in the UK entails. I believe in tolerance, just so long as everyone participates and what they do impacts no-one but themselves. There are plenty of good people in every group but I probably take a tougher line with the bad guys than most.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Jun 22 9.27am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It is part of your our grandchildren will have no problems, all racial/religious/cultural problems wil simply fade away in time. You would just replace it with secular dogma which would also impact us. There is no secular dogma. That is an oxymoron. All it involves is ensuring religion does not dominate. It doesn't ban it, for those who wish to have it in their lives, but asks them to keep it away from those who don't and to ensure that all children are allowed to decide for themselves, and that indoctrination is avoided.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 22 9.34am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have never said that either. I just am a realist. They are here, so now they are, we need to ensure they under no illusions about what living in the UK entails. I believe in tolerance, just so long as everyone participates and what they do impacts no-one but themselves. There are plenty of good people in every group but I probably take a tougher line with the bad guys than most.
You may argue that environmental factors influence decisions, and that would be correct. You might argue that the expansions of human population makes all this unavoidable. I would argue that a species that has almost completely moulded the planet for its own ends can easily do something as simple as deciding who lives where. Britain has borders that can be easily protected. The only thing stopping that are the foolish decisions of men sitting around tables, not a form of manifest destiny.
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Teddy Eagle 09 Jun 22 9.41am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There is no secular dogma. That is an oxymoron. All it involves is ensuring religion does not dominate. It doesn't ban it, for those who wish to have it in their lives, but asks them to keep it away from those who don't and to ensure that all children are allowed to decide for themselves, and that indoctrination is avoided. There are many subjects on which people are as dogmatic as any religious zealot; environmental issues, veganism, trans rights, animal rights as well as any number of political views.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 09 Jun 22 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You may argue that environmental factors influence decisions, and that would be correct. You might argue that the expansions of human population makes all this unavoidable. I would argue that a species that has almost completely moulded the planet for its own ends can easily do something as simple as deciding who lives where. Britain has borders that can be easily protected. The only thing stopping that are the foolish decisions of men sitting around tables, not a form of manifest destiny. I agree with the views you have expressed in this thread Hrolf.
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Elpis In a pub 09 Jun 22 12.00pm | |
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The film is made by Muslims and the other muslims dont like the way it portrays certain historical figures . Its a Sunni and Shiite argument that has been going on for hundreds of years Cineworld needs to grow some or the mob will be back
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