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Painter Flag Croydon 21 Apr 22 12.28pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I would be inclined to suggest that finishing between 6th-10/11/12th should be the clubs '5 year plan'. Anything beyond that is of course an achievement.

I'll still find it hard to envisage wanting for more than finishing 17th+ with the odd scalp or cup run as a bonus. We look set to achieve that this season.

What do you expect?

The odds are massively against us, we never going to win the league, unless we have a massive injection of investment from somewhere. Everton have spent over a billion pounds chasing the dream and are languishing below us. Watching Palace over the years has always been either promotion or relegation battle, now we haven’t been in any relegation problems for about 6 seasons, people are getting bored. Personally this season has been more enjoyable as the style we play is more entertaining in the whole and we are moving in the right direction.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Apr 22 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If you look at Newcastle as an example, it is clear that they can now spend in line with the top 4 clubs. Top players will see the results over the coming few seasons and consider them as an option.
Palace would obviously need similar owners with almost infinite spending power to achieve the same.
I just hope we can spend in line with last season and establish ourselves as a permanent member of the Premier League and actually win a cup in my lifetime.

We've got them if they don't go to Chelsea.

 


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taylors lovechild Flag 21 Apr 22 12.37pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I have had this debate outside of HOL.
We might of course have a season where we finish in the top 6, Burnley once finished 5th, but sustaining it is another matter.
Realistically we are not going to finish in the top 8 or 9 on a regular basis unless there is a significantly increased investment in the squad.

Edited by Willo (21 Apr 2022 10.38am)

You're right Willo. Statistically those who spend more take the top positions. Money doesn't guarantee success, but those who have success have money. We don't really, at least in comparison to probably at least half the PL.

Last night was one of the few performances this season where I've been frustrated and a bit bored. By comparison, last season I only saw a few performances where I wasn't bored or frustrated even when we won. Given we are unlikely to be playing CL football or winning major trophies it is nice to at least have some decent football to enjoy.

For me Vieira has managed to find a balance between entertainment and pragmatism. He has a good team around him and generally remains calm but with an air of authority. For all the niggly fouls and diving, Bruno Guimarães showed last night what a lot of money can get you i.e. a tough tackling, ball playing defensive midfielder.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Apr 22 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

You're right Willo. Statistically those who spend more take the top positions. Money doesn't guarantee success, but those who have success have money. We don't really, at least in comparison to probably at least half the PL.

Last night was one of the few performances this season where I've been frustrated and a bit bored. By comparison, last season I only saw a few performances where I wasn't bored or frustrated even when we won. Given we are unlikely to be playing CL football or winning major trophies it is nice to at least have some decent football to enjoy.

For me Vieira has managed to find a balance between entertainment and pragmatism. He has a good team around him and generally remains calm but with an air of authority. For all the niggly fouls and diving, Bruno Guimarães showed last night what a lot of money can get you i.e. a tough tackling, ball playing defensive midfielder.

A fee of £36 Mill rising to £42 Mill.
I believe that Newcastle have been playing him in the No 8 role.

 

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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 21 Apr 22 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

A fee of £36 Mill rising to £42 Mill.
I believe that Newcastle have been playing him in the No 8 role.

What's that? Is the number 1 role the goalkeeper?

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 21 Apr 22 12.50pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

A fee of £36 Mill rising to £42 Mill.
I believe that Newcastle have been playing him in the No 8 role.

Looks like money well spent. Chris Wood on the other hand, not so much.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Apr 22 12.52pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

What's that? Is the number 1 role the goalkeeper?

A box-to-box midfielder akin to the roles played by Gerrard and Lampard.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Apr 22 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Looks like money well spent. Chris Wood on the other hand, not so much.

Wood cost Newcastle £25 Mill.He has scored 2 goals in 14 games for them.
He was a goalkeeper in his early teens but never liked the position and gave it up.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 21 Apr 22 1.03pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

You're right Willo. Statistically those who spend more take the top positions. Money doesn't guarantee success, but those who have success have money. We don't really, at least in comparison to probably at least half the PL.

Last night was one of the few performances this season where I've been frustrated and a bit bored. By comparison, last season I only saw a few performances where I wasn't bored or frustrated even when we won. Given we are unlikely to be playing CL football or winning major trophies it is nice to at least have some decent football to enjoy.

For me Vieira has managed to find a balance between entertainment and pragmatism. He has a good team around him and generally remains calm but with an air of authority. For all the niggly fouls and diving, Bruno Guimarães showed last night what a lot of money can get you i.e. a tough tackling, ball playing defensive midfielder.


He was very good first half, but seemed to run out of legs 2nd half and resorted to throwing himself around.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 21 Apr 22 1.04pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I think with the investment, it is a poor season so far 10th is the least i would expect, 4 places up, from that outlay, do you think Textor is going to put another 90m in, he wont, we will be looking for free transfers and bargains unless we sell, Edouard is awful, Gallagher is not creative, poor passer, and poor tackling hence 57 fouls and ten bookings, he has a fantastic engine and can finish, a midfield of Kouyate, Schlupp, and Gallagher is unbalanced.

Which says more about you than the club.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Apr 22 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

I think with the investment, it is a poor season so far 10th is the least i would expect,

If you cast your mind back to the beginning of the season you will see that most people on this forum said that it would be a season of transition and as long a we escaped relegation most would be happy.

The season has been much better than originally thought as we have been playing attractive football and if it wasn't for those daft goals that we gave away in the 90th minute earlier in the season we would be much higher up the table

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Apr 22 1.11pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If you cast your mind back to the beginning of the season you will see that most people on this forum said that it would be a season of transition and as long a we escaped relegation most would be happy.

The season has been much better than originally thought as we have been playing attractive football and if it wasn't for those daft goals that we gave away in the 90th minute earlier in the season we would be much higher up the table

I concur with these comments.

I believe that at the end of this season we will have achieved more than was generally expected.
Next season, expectations amongst supporters might be higher.

Edited by Willo (21 Apr 2022 1.14pm)

 

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