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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jan 22 9.05am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Exactly. Those of us who are obsessed with 'pure freedom' should just stick to reading Voltaire to console themselves

The modern west was built upon those foundations....the world before them wasn't exactly pleasant for the average Joe. I think we should perhaps not be looking to glibly remove them without challenge. We need only look around the world to observe what a lack of freedoms looks like.

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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 20 Jan 22 9.57am Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The modern west was built upon those foundations....the world before them wasn't exactly pleasant for the average Joe. I think we should perhaps not be looking to glibly remove them without challenge. We need only look around the world to observe what a lack of freedoms looks like.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2022 9.06am)


I get that. AJP Taylor wrote a brilliant first paragraph to his English History 1914-1945 where he said on the eve of WW1 the Englishman could leave the country without a passport, not have to leave a public house because of licensing laws, and various other personal freedoms. His only contact with the State would probably have been no more than a Policeman or a visit to the Post Office.

But that is now very distant past nostalgia.

 
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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jan 22 11.09am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad


I get that. AJP Taylor wrote a brilliant first paragraph to his English History 1914-1945 where he said on the eve of WW1 the Englishman could leave the country without a passport, not have to leave a public house because of licensing laws, and various other personal freedoms. His only contact with the State would probably have been no more than a Policeman or a visit to the Post Office.

But that is now very distant past nostalgia.

I'm not so concerned about the past as I am about the future.

 

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