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Midlands Eagle Flag 07 Dec 21 6.36am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Painter


Is the wrong answer.

Would you care to enlighten us as to what is the right answer then?

 

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Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 07 Dec 21 6.36am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Although our play prior to Burnley was better, our attention to defensive shape and detail were worse.

Without Macca we lost our press, and without Anderson we lost our ability to play out as threateningly from the back.

I can accept losing a little focus on defensive shape for the play PV has added. But our set piece defending must improve.

Gallagher, Macca and Anderson are the critical components in Pat-ball. He needs a clearer plan for when he doesn't have them.

 


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taylors lovechild Flag 07 Dec 21 7.39am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

They do say that the PL table often reflects to a large extent a club's investment. On top of that the bigger clubs attract the best players. Early season performances suggested we might be able to crack the top 10 and without injuries maybe we might have a few more points on the board. Some of us including me probably got a bit carried away, but is there a problem with that? Surely that's better than the other way of being endlessly negative.

Everton have spent £500m to look bang average. I imagine Newcastle may well do something similar soon. At the other end Burnley seem to somehow stay up each season spending less than Rashford spends on his hair highlights. Most teams are on a rollercoaster going from the sublime to the ridiculous from week to week, with managers going from hero to zero within the same month. The key thing I'm looking at is what is the long-term plan. Vieira has a way he wants to play, I just hope he is brave enough to see that plan through as what is becoming apparent is the squad is not built for what he wants and it may take a year or two to bring in the players he needs and to clear out the ones he doesn't. Also, if the seniors don't step up to the plate will he be brave and test one or two from the U23s. I have faith we'll start picking up some points again sooner rather than later.

 

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slubglurge Flag welling 07 Dec 21 7.45am Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

The loss of Macca means Conor is playing deeper to compensate and CB is in the team to defend set pieces. It's taken the wind out of our sails

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 07 Dec 21 7.50am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Would you care to enlighten us as to what is the right answer then?

Yes, Come on Painter you seem to be the know all, so explain where we are going wrong

 


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The Dolphin Flag 07 Dec 21 8.17am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

So many reasons but the main thrust for is that we did far better than expected early on and both the team and the Manager are feeling their way.
Whilst I have whinged on here at times I would have accepted 40 points at the start of the season and hopefully we will end up there.
Some thoughts -
Some of our players are bench only players but are getting a lot of game time currently and their strengths do not work with PV's way of playing.
Our forward line is weak and PV needs to find a way to get Edouarde working because he absolutely knows where the goal is.
Gallacher playing too deep and he looks tired - he is too young to play every week - especially out of position.
Wilf is losing his powers quickly.
Our right back slot is weak.
The team reverts to type when things don't work out - hoof ball.
Most of all though - PV needs to find a way through this patch because I think he is the right man for the Club

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 07 Dec 21 8.42am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

So many reasons but the main thrust for is that we did far better than expected early on and both the team and the Manager are feeling their way.
Whilst I have whinged on here at times I would have accepted 40 points at the start of the season and hopefully we will end up there.
Some thoughts -
Some of our players are bench only players but are getting a lot of game time currently and their strengths do not work with PV's way of playing.
Our forward line is weak and PV needs to find a way to get Edouarde working because he absolutely knows where the goal is.
Gallacher playing too deep and he looks tired - he is too young to play every week - especially out of position.
Wilf is losing his powers quickly.
Our right back slot is weak.
The team reverts to type when things don't work out - hoof ball.
Most of all though - PV needs to find a way through this patch because I think he is the right man for the Club

This is true, but weaker still is the midfield. I don't expect Schlupp, Luka, Kouyate to either press hard or have the creativity to line up chances. When CG goes back to Chelsea we'll be severely lacking. Jimmy Mac can't go on forever, Eze is just back from a nasty injury, and Olise is still a bit raw at this level. We need to sign two decent players that fit with PV's plans for the midfield, otherwise we are going to come unstuck pretty quickly.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 07 Dec 21 9.05am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

This is true, but weaker still is the midfield. I don't expect Schlupp, Luka, Kouyate to either press hard or have the creativity to line up chances. When CG goes back to Chelsea we'll be severely lacking. Jimmy Mac can't go on forever, Eze is just back from a nasty injury, and Olise is still a bit raw at this level. We need to sign two decent players that fit with PV's plans for the midfield, otherwise we are going to come unstuck pretty quickly.

*edit* To address the topic header - nothing has gone wrong. We are in the first season with a new manager who is implementing a new style: it's a work in progress. We've shown we can hold our own, we can also see what needs work.

 

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The Dolphin Flag 07 Dec 21 9.15am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I pretty much agree with you but if our forwards could just score the odd goal more than they are now then it would help.
The chance against United on Sunday was a criminal miss as was Benteke's the other day.
We don't get many chances at the moment but when we do they need to be taken.
Neither of those even found the target for goodness sake.
Certainly Luka and Schlupp are working but Schlupp at least should be moved to the left which is his natural position to at least give him a chance to prove his worth.
We are back in square pegs/round holes Roy territory already.
A team with a plan bring in subs to suit the plan and try and make them play that way but when you play them out of position you have no chance.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 07 Dec 21 9.29am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I pretty much agree with you but if our forwards could just score the odd goal more than they are now then it would help.
The chance against United on Sunday was a criminal miss as was Benteke's the other day.
We don't get many chances at the moment but when we do they need to be taken.
Neither of those even found the target for goodness sake.
Certainly Luka and Schlupp are working but Schlupp at least should be moved to the left which is his natural position to at least give him a chance to prove his worth.
We are back in square pegs/round holes Roy territory already.
A team with a plan bring in subs to suit the plan and try and make them play that way but when you play them out of position you have no chance.

Yes, this is the concern. PV has to impress his football philosophy on a squad that is quite disparate and create a single cohesive force. Quite a few are "Royballers" and featured heavily under Hodgson; frankly they don't have what it takes to apply PV's game tactics. This is a season of transition, everyone needs to keep that in mind.

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 07 Dec 21 9.47am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Although our play prior to Burnley was better, our attention to defensive shape and detail were worse.

Without Macca we lost our press, and without Anderson we lost our ability to play out as threateningly from the back.

I can accept losing a little focus on defensive shape for the play PV has added. But our set piece defending must improve.

Gallagher, Macca and Anderson are the critical components in Pat-ball. He needs a clearer plan for when he doesn't have them.

This.

What's gone wrong is we have lost a couple of players that are critical to us playing position based football. I know it feels like we should be able to deal with it but we cant.

Not being able to pass out from the back causes issues everywhere. Our defence is deep, the distance between midfield and the forwards is massive, we don't have much ball so cant sustain a press for long periods of time. The whole team is sat so deep that we aren't winning the ball high up, our attackers are getting the ball in their own half under pressure etc etc.

Not many teams will go out and buy 2 new starting CBs over the summer. This is how pivotal they are to playing good football.

But to the point above, we were never going to go a whole season with them all fully fit. Especially Macca (I'd be surprised if we got 25 games from him). So Pat needs to work out what the plan is without them.

To be fair to him, we're only losing by the odd goal, and we are having chances. So its not all doom and gloom.

I can only hope Pat, Steve and Dougie are looking for the right type of reinforcements


 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 07 Dec 21 9.55am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Living where I do, in a Brighton stronghold, when discussing The Game with Brighton supporting friends ( I know ) we usually make comparisons between our clubs.

So my view is that Palace are roughly where Brighton were 3 years ago. They sacked Hughton in search of more expansive football - we said goodbye to Roy in the summer.

They appointed Potter, no Premier League experience - we appointed PV.

They struggled for the last 2 seasons. But they managed to stay up. In the meantime '' Potterball '' has been truly embedded, a squad of players has been built that are comfortable with the playing style. In turn, when they lose players to injury or suspension, the impact is lessened. Their biggest problem has been scoring goals as we know. But this season they look like steering clear of any relegation worries, albeit they are struggling to win games, as are we.


Palace are still work in progress. Much more work to be done with the squad which contains players that don't suit the style that PV wants to play, or are simply in decline. That of course costs money, and Brighton have spent well in excess of what we have over the last few years.

As I wrote on another thread, 3 defeats in a week hurts. Fine margins in the Premier League. Indeed Brighton, thanks to those injury time goals from Maupay, have squeezed 3 points from their last 3 games, 2 of which could/should have been defeats.

Palace are about to play 3 games in which we need to get the points tally up. If we go into Christmas and New Year with just 3 wins under our belt, it's going to be a tough 2nd. half of the season.

For those on here speculating about winning 7 consecutive games / finishing 4th., you've just had a reality check.

It's a tight league this year, success may just be all about staying in it, disappointing as that might sound.

 


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