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steeleye20 Croydon 15 Oct 21 4.39pm
I get angry and want to hang people at first as well but the death penalty was state revenge and innocent people were executed in error. The court system is not infallible and once done it cannot later be retracted if proved to be wrong. The hangman himself, Pierrepoint changed his view on hanging saying it was not a deterrent.
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Croydon 15 Oct 21 4.39pm

I get angry and want to hang people at first as well but the death penalty was state revenge and innocent people were executed in error.

The court system is not infallible and once done it cannot later be retracted if proved to be wrong.

The hangman himself, Pierrepoint changed his view on hanging saying it was not a deterrent.

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Stirlingsays 15 Oct 21 4.41pm
Originally posted by DanH The lack of security that MPs get, especially after Jo Cox, I find quite staggering. Hopefully this changes it. You would hope so. Would be a far better use of that pay increase. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Oct 21 4.41pm

Originally posted by DanH

The lack of security that MPs get, especially after Jo Cox, I find quite staggering. Hopefully this changes it.

You would hope so.

Would be a far better use of that pay increase.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 15 Oct 21 5.14pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Warrant this? ?
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Horsham 15 Oct 21 5.14pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Warrant this?

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Oct 21 5.16pm
Pope John Paul II , Ronald Reagan, JFK if a man of violence wants to get somebody, it is almost impossible to guarantee the safety of said victim. Reagan and the Pope had an army of bodyguards and the bullets still got through. As mentioned on the Norway Bow & Arrow attack. Its people doing the violence, not the kitchen knife per se. The Solution ? not sure if one even exists. Do we want to live in a society of leaders who hide behind bulletproof plexi glass and technology ? The stabbing of Stephen Timms was payback for him supporting the invasion of Iraq. We are not living in Ancient Rome where the politicians were insulated from the consequences of their actions. Your local high street is as much the frontline as any village in Afghanistan. The truth will out about the killer of Mr Amess & their motivations. Its a tragedy whatever way the dice land. Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Oct 2021 5.21pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Pope John Paul II , Ronald Reagan, JFK

if a man of violence wants to get somebody, it is almost impossible to guarantee the safety of said victim.

Reagan and the Pope had an army of bodyguards and the bullets still got through. As mentioned on the Norway Bow & Arrow attack. Its people doing the violence, not the kitchen knife per se.

The Solution ? not sure if one even exists. Do we want to live in a society of leaders who hide behind bulletproof plexi glass and technology ?

The stabbing of Stephen Timms was payback for him supporting the invasion of Iraq. We are not living in Ancient Rome where the politicians were insulated from the consequences of their actions. Your local high street is as much the frontline as any village in Afghanistan.

The truth will out about the killer of Mr Amess & their motivations. Its a tragedy whatever way the dice land.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Oct 2021 5.21pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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georgenorman 15 Oct 21 5.17pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I get angry and want to hang people at first as well but the death penalty was state revenge and innocent people were executed in error. The court system is not infallible and once done it cannot later be retracted if proved to be wrong. The hangman himself, Pierrepoint changed his view on hanging saying it was not a deterrent. There have been more people killed by released murderers than probable innocent people executed.
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15 Oct 21 5.17pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I get angry and want to hang people at first as well but the death penalty was state revenge and innocent people were executed in error.

The court system is not infallible and once done it cannot later be retracted if proved to be wrong.

The hangman himself, Pierrepoint changed his view on hanging saying it was not a deterrent.

There have been more people killed by released murderers than probable innocent people executed.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Oct 21 5.23pm
Originally posted by georgenorman There have been more people killed by released murderers than probable innocent people executed. to execute a murderer costs ? a few hundred quid ? to house them for life in prison ? millions of pounds ? how many extra lives could be saved if all that money went into the NHS ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 15 Oct 21 5.23pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

There have been more people killed by released murderers than probable innocent people executed.

to execute a murderer costs ? a few hundred quid ?

to house them for life in prison ? millions of pounds ? how many extra lives could be saved if all that money went into the NHS ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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beak croydon 15 Oct 21 5.23pm
Originally posted by georgenorman There have been more people killed by released murderers than probable innocent people executed. So that explains the scales of justice!
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croydon 15 Oct 21 5.23pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

There have been more people killed by released murderers than probable innocent people executed.

So that explains the scales of justice!

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Stirlingsays 15 Oct 21 5.25pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Pope John Paul II , Ronald Reagan, JFK if a man of violence wants to get somebody, it is almost impossible to guarantee the safety of said victim. Reagan and the Pope had an army of bodyguards and the bullets still got through. As mentioned on the Norway Bow & Arrow attack. Its people doing the violence, not the kitchen knife per se. The Solution ? not sure if one even exists. Do we want to live in a society of leaders who hide behind bulletproof plexi glass and technology ? I agree that it's difficult to stop. However, it can be made pretty difficult and even back in the day most attempts would fail....even going back to Castro. Now presidents are even harder to get at and give speeches behind bullet proof screens with lots of security even before the events. I'd say both Obama and Trump had a lot of heat willing to end them but security seemed to be pretty effective. But as you say, it's always on the horizon....to remember an old war saying 'the bomber will always get through'. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Oct 21 5.25pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Pope John Paul II , Ronald Reagan, JFK

if a man of violence wants to get somebody, it is almost impossible to guarantee the safety of said victim.

Reagan and the Pope had an army of bodyguards and the bullets still got through. As mentioned on the Norway Bow & Arrow attack. Its people doing the violence, not the kitchen knife per se.

The Solution ? not sure if one even exists. Do we want to live in a society of leaders who hide behind bulletproof plexi glass and technology ?

I agree that it's difficult to stop.

However, it can be made pretty difficult and even back in the day most attempts would fail....even going back to Castro.

Now presidents are even harder to get at and give speeches behind bullet proof screens with lots of security even before the events.

I'd say both Obama and Trump had a lot of heat willing to end them but security seemed to be pretty effective.

But as you say, it's always on the horizon....to remember an old war saying 'the bomber will always get through'.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 15 Oct 21 5.26pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio to execute a murderer costs ? a few hundred quid ? to house them for life in prison ? millions of pounds ? how many extra lives could be saved if all that money went into the NHS ? Predictably I like the Japanese system on this. Though perhaps like is the wrong word. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Oct 2021 5.27pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

15 Oct 21 5.26pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

to execute a murderer costs ? a few hundred quid ?

to house them for life in prison ? millions of pounds ? how many extra lives could be saved if all that money went into the NHS ?

Predictably I like the Japanese system on this.

Though perhaps like is the wrong word.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Oct 2021 5.27pm)

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BlueJay UK 15 Oct 21 6.46pm
It appears to be a Somalian man, 25. Nothing further has yet been released. From The Telegraph. I won't link to it as it's on their 'Live' page so may well soon not link directly to this info. Edited by BlueJay (15 Oct 2021 6.55pm)
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UK 15 Oct 21 6.46pm

It appears to be a Somalian man, 25. Nothing further has yet been released. From The Telegraph. I won't link to it as it's on their 'Live' page so may well soon not link directly to this info.

Edited by BlueJay (15 Oct 2021 6.55pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Oct 21 6.53pm
''The Independent understands that the suspect is of Somali origin, and the murder is being treated at this point as a probable Islamist terror attack.'' to quote The Independent Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 15 Oct 21 6.53pm

''The Independent understands that the suspect is of Somali origin,

and the murder is being treated at this point as a probable Islamist terror attack.'' to quote The Independent

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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BlueJay UK 15 Oct 21 7.13pm
Originally posted by DanH The lack of security that MPs get, especially after Jo Cox, I find quite staggering. Hopefully this changes it. It's a shame that it's needed, but after two such occurrences in recent years impossible to avoid now really.
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BlueJay

UK 15 Oct 21 7.13pm

Originally posted by DanH

The lack of security that MPs get, especially after Jo Cox, I find quite staggering. Hopefully this changes it.

It's a shame that it's needed, but after two such occurrences in recent years impossible to avoid now really.

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