I've never intruded into other posters' disagreements before and I doubt I ever will again. But for heaven's sake, if a fans' forum isn't at least partly to allow fans to criticise the manager or players, then there seems little point in at all. But when someone does that on here, there are almost always people wishing to attack them with sarcastic remarks, of which there have been a couple in this thread.

I'll now creep back into my hole, but please can't we all be tolerant of others' views?

Posters need to be aware of making themselves look very stupid and posters who moan immediately after an excellent performance need to keep away for their own sake, individual mistakes will always happen in football, we all need to think how our keeper felt last night instead of behaving like morons.

Finding a forward who can perform consistently in this league is the Holy Grail for every football club. Budgetary limits means, unless we can grow our own like Wilf, we have to take a gamble on the unproven, unknown or unloved. Sorloth, Mateta, Edouard ? the search goes on. Ayew pissed me off last night when he missed and CB is a constant frustration but they are what we have. Hopefully Olise and Edouard can climb up the pecking order. Or failing that perhaps Textor has a few million stashed down the back of his sofa that he wouldnt mind spending on a proven striker.

it's hardly behaving like a moron to call out and want to bleat about two blinding failures in a game against our biggest rivals, is it? Yeah the performance was excellent in places, but we can still rue Ayew's miss and Guaita's miss-placed kick. That's human nature.

Have been a big Benteke fan on HOL, but got to say he had an absolute shocker when he came on last night.

We needed to defend from the front and was not mobile enough to challenge for possession. The Weed defenders were breezing past him without him putting up any resistance. He had a couple of misguided headers which went nowhere near Palace players. He had that farcical short corner which held up for less than a second and he must have given ball away at least 5 times. Other than the ball to Ayew, which let’s be honest was a basic pass for a pro, he had a negative impact on the team. He’s dangerous when we cross the ball but we don’t do that. Expected more from a man trying to get his place back in the team.

Re Ayew, we all know his limitations. He’s a useful squad player but will soon be replaced by Olise/Eze. Good dribbler but doesn’t add much else. His miss wasn’t as bad as people are making out, he still had the keeper to beat who was well positioned.

Edited by Goal Machine (28 Sep 2021 6.30pm)

I suspect that PV has identified RB as a weak link in his plans. Ayew does a lot of work to help Ward, which at this time Olise will not do. Yes he missed a sitter and I said at the time, “that was the game”.