Did you know that in April all HGV drivers had to go PAYE. IR 35 rules. Prior to that they were contracted. Now why would brexit cause loads of foreign drivers to go home? In reality its because they couldn't carry on fiddling the tax. Research would prevent all this nonsense CP.
At least you won't struggle with your capitalist existence along with all your philanthropic ways!

Maybe the extended bin delivery times have something to do with local councils trying to save money? Most Counciks seem to take penny pinching to the extreme these days
Certainly seemed to be a reason in 2019

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Could the farmers not pay to train fruit pickers? They are the ones who exploit them with appalling terms and conditions.
Covering other points on this thread, can anyone actually produce Official figures to confirm how many European lorry drivers have left the UK? As no one is questioned on departure about their intentions etc, these figures must be an assumption, no?

You have not been listening to the grievances of British lorry drivers then. Pay decreasing, poor conditions, nowhere decent to park, buy and eat food. Eastern Europeans accept this. This is why we need to change and stop using them to fix our own issues.

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I agree the HGV driver shortage is across Europe, however, it is much worse in the UK because we have been part of a European workforce market and then suddenly withdrawn from that without a plan for how to fill the gaps. In Europe, a driver shortage in Germany can be addressed by drivers from Spain or Portugal.

I agree that it’s about time the low wage economy is addressed and that wages are brought up for many sectors. The realisation that we have been taking advantage of low paid employees for decades was not something that I remember being highlighted by pro-Brexit campaigners. It is good news that the low paid are a new priority.

The downside is that the increased costs will have to be passed on through goods and services creating inflationary forces in the economy. Everything will be getting more expensive and some things will become very expensive. This inflation will far outstrip that in other economies such as Europe and the EU because they have much larger younger workforces that can move around to address supply and demand.

COVID has actually restricted the movement of HGV drivers far less than most other groups of workers. Through all of the lockdowns drivers have generally been able to move around Europe, it is Brexit that stops them from being based in the UK and making UK deliveries.

Why do you think that the government has failed to address these issues for the past decade and more especially to foresee the disruption that was highlighted to them by the logistics industry? Could it just possibly be that they did not see this coming? Or that they ignored the many warning made by the industry that this would happen?

Any thoughts on how long will the realignment will go on? I am ‘surprised’ that those that carefully planned the Brexit project do not have all this in hand and solutions to the problems ready to go.

It will most certainly be an extremely bumpy ride. All the more so for the poor and unskilled. These are the people that should have been educated and trained to do the jobs that our economy requires.

I see ‘realignment’ being used a lot as a euphemism for collapse and stagnation. The UK is like a drug addict, hooked on thirty-plus years of cheap labour and cheap food. Then suddenly it has gone cold turkey. This is what we will probably be eating a Christmas if the gas shortage continues and it is possible to buy a turkey.