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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Sep 21 11.01am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course but that also means that others have the right to reject views in situations where they have the jurisdiction. Torba believes he has a God given right to reach everyone. Which presents a problem in today’s borderless internet world, Not really what you are saying is that he has an opinion and that the German government disagrees, my money is on the Germans. One more point
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Beckenham 23 Sep 21 11.01am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course but that also means that others have the right to reject views in situations where they have the jurisdiction. Torba believes he has a God given right to reach everyone. Which presents a problem in today’s borderless internet world,

Not really what you are saying is that he has an opinion and that the German government disagrees, my money is on the Germans.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Sep 21 11.53am
Originally posted by Badger11 Not really what you are saying is that he has an opinion and that the German government disagrees, my money is on the Germans. We might both consider it just his opinion but if you read Torba you will realise his view is that God’s authority is above anything imposed by man. In this he has more in common with the extreme versions of Islam than most of us. Fundamentalists are a problem whatsoever faith they subscribe to. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Sep 21 11.53am

Originally posted by Badger11

Not really what you are saying is that he has an opinion and that the German government disagrees, my money is on the Germans.

We might both consider it just his opinion but if you read Torba you will realise his view is that God’s authority is above anything imposed by man. In this he has more in common with the extreme versions of Islam than most of us. Fundamentalists are a problem whatsoever faith they subscribe to.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 23 Sep 21 1.31pm
'if you read Torba you will realise his view is that God’s authority is above anything imposed by man. In this he has more in common with the extreme versions of Islam than most of us.' ? Is knowledge of the Abrahamic religions this poor? Anyone with even the most simple understanding of Islam knows that 'god's authority is above anything imposed by man'....Hell, that's all the Abrahamic religions....for feck's sake that's the whole point of religion. Jesus wept. Indeed, it's entirely mainstream Islam. The only discussion point is what that authority is in practice. I get being against religion but arguments that don't understand it get nowhere. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 1.33pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Sep 21 1.31pm

'if you read Torba you will realise his view is that God’s authority is above anything imposed by man. In this he has more in common with the extreme versions of Islam than most of us.'

Is knowledge of the Abrahamic religions this poor?

Anyone with even the most simple understanding of Islam knows that 'god's authority is above anything imposed by man'....Hell, that's all the Abrahamic religions....for feck's sake that's the whole point of religion.

Jesus wept.

Indeed, it's entirely mainstream Islam. The only discussion point is what that authority is in practice.

I get being against religion but arguments that don't understand it get nowhere.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 1.33pm)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Sep 21 1.55pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Not really what you are saying is that he has an opinion and that the German government disagrees, my money is on the Germans. People have lost by putting their money on the Germans a couple of times. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Sep 21 1.55pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Not really what you are saying is that he has an opinion and that the German government disagrees, my money is on the Germans.

People have lost by putting their money on the Germans a couple of times.

Red and Blue Army!

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Teddy Eagle 23 Sep 21 2.05pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC People have lost by putting their money on the Germans a couple of times. So the second one was an attempted betting coup?
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Teddy Eagle

23 Sep 21 2.05pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

People have lost by putting their money on the Germans a couple of times.

So the second one was an attempted betting coup?

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Stirlingsays 23 Sep 21 2.36pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle So the second one was an attempted betting coup? Nein to one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Sep 21 2.36pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So the second one was an attempted betting coup?

Nein to one.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Sep 21 4.10pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'if you read Torba you will realise his view is that God’s authority is above anything imposed by man. In this he has more in common with the extreme versions of Islam than most of us.' ? Is knowledge of the Abrahamic religions this poor? Anyone with even the most simple understanding of Islam knows that 'god's authority is above anything imposed by man'....Hell, that's all the Abrahamic religions....for feck's sake that's the whole point of religion. Jesus wept. Indeed, it's entirely mainstream Islam. The only discussion point is what that authority is in practice. I get being against religion but arguments that don't understand it get nowhere. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 1.33pm) There is a world of difference between the ancient texts of a religion, written when mankind knew no better, and someone today genuinely believing them to the point of ignoring the will of the majority. I have no problem with those who believe just so long as they keep that belief in a historical context and don’t try to pretend that scientific discovery hasn’t happened. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Sep 21 4.10pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'if you read Torba you will realise his view is that God’s authority is above anything imposed by man. In this he has more in common with the extreme versions of Islam than most of us.'

Is knowledge of the Abrahamic religions this poor?

Jesus wept.

Indeed, it's entirely mainstream Islam. The only discussion point is what that authority is in practice.

I get being against religion but arguments that don't understand it get nowhere.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 1.33pm)

There is a world of difference between the ancient texts of a religion, written when mankind knew no better, and someone today genuinely believing them to the point of ignoring the will of the majority. I have no problem with those who believe just so long as they keep that belief in a historical context and don’t try to pretend that scientific discovery hasn’t happened.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 23 Sep 21 4.31pm
Sounds like extremist atheism to cherry pick those you want to be prosecuted for their beliefs. No one is required to go to Gab, just as no one is required to enter a Mosque. If you don't like someone's views then don't bother yourself with them. If religion genuinely bothers you that much then go picket your local Mosque. Because your statement that they....or any of the main religions don't put God's words above man's is pure fantasy.....in fact the Jews and Christians allow for far more interpretation than Muslims as Islam teaches that the Quran is the actual word of god, while the main bulk of Christians believe the Bible to be 'inspired' by god written by prophets. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 4.36pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Sep 21 4.31pm

Sounds like extremist atheism to cherry pick those you want to be prosecuted for their beliefs.

No one is required to go to Gab, just as no one is required to enter a Mosque.

If you don't like someone's views then don't bother yourself with them.

If religion genuinely bothers you that much then go picket your local Mosque.

Because your statement that they....or any of the main religions don't put God's words above man's is pure fantasy.....in fact the Jews and Christians allow for far more interpretation than Muslims as Islam teaches that the Quran is the actual word of god, while the main bulk of Christians believe the Bible to be 'inspired' by god written by prophets.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 4.36pm)

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Teddy Eagle 23 Sep 21 4.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Nein to one. That's where each way bets come in although admittedly a draw was always unlikely.
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Teddy Eagle

23 Sep 21 4.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Nein to one.

That's where each way bets come in although admittedly a draw was always unlikely.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Sep 21 6.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sounds like extremist atheism to cherry pick those you want to be prosecuted for their beliefs. No one is required to go to Gab, just as no one is required to enter a Mosque. If you don't like someone's views then don't bother yourself with them. If religion genuinely bothers you that much then go picket your local Mosque. Because your statement that they....or any of the main religions don't put God's words above man's is pure fantasy.....in fact the Jews and Christians allow for far more interpretation than Muslims as Islam teaches that the Quran is the actual word of god, while the main bulk of Christians believe the Bible to be 'inspired' by god written by prophets. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 4.36pm) As usual, you are either misunderstanding or, more likely, misrepresenting what I have said. I don't want anyone prosecuted for their beliefs. Prosecutions should only follow actions. Any individual putting "God's words above man's" for himself, isn't a problem. If that is how they wish to run their life, that's their decision and their right. It only becomes one if they decide to ignore any laws that conflict with their personal viewpoint and act unlawfully. Whether people can choose whether to visit Gab, or indeed a mosque populated by extremists, is beside the point. They exist and are populated. What happens there cannot be ignored because it impacts all of us. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 23 Sep 21 6.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sounds like extremist atheism to cherry pick those you want to be prosecuted for their beliefs.

No one is required to go to Gab, just as no one is required to enter a Mosque.

If you don't like someone's views then don't bother yourself with them.

If religion genuinely bothers you that much then go picket your local Mosque.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 4.36pm)

As usual, you are either misunderstanding or, more likely, misrepresenting what I have said.

I don't want anyone prosecuted for their beliefs. Prosecutions should only follow actions.

Any individual putting "God's words above man's" for himself, isn't a problem. If that is how they wish to run their life, that's their decision and their right.

It only becomes one if they decide to ignore any laws that conflict with their personal viewpoint and act unlawfully.

Whether people can choose whether to visit Gab, or indeed a mosque populated by extremists, is beside the point. They exist and are populated. What happens there cannot be ignored because it impacts all of us.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 23 Sep 21 6.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sounds like extremist atheism to cherry pick those you want to be prosecuted for their beliefs. No one is required to go to Gab, just as no one is required to enter a Mosque. If you don't like someone's views then don't bother yourself with them. If religion genuinely bothers you that much then go picket your local Mosque. Because your statement that they....or any of the main religions don't put God's words above man's is pure fantasy.....in fact the Jews and Christians allow for far more interpretation than Muslims as Islam teaches that the Quran is the actual word of god, while the main bulk of Christians believe the Bible to be 'inspired' by god written by prophets. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 4.36pm) It goes further, it is the last word of god, everything before and everything after is to be discarded. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Ouzo Dan

Behind you 23 Sep 21 6.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sounds like extremist atheism to cherry pick those you want to be prosecuted for their beliefs.

No one is required to go to Gab, just as no one is required to enter a Mosque.

If you don't like someone's views then don't bother yourself with them.

If religion genuinely bothers you that much then go picket your local Mosque.

Because your statement that they....or any of the main religions don't put God's words above man's is pure fantasy.....in fact the Jews and Christians allow for far more interpretation than Muslims as Islam teaches that the Quran is the actual word of god, while the main bulk of Christians believe the Bible to be 'inspired' by god written by prophets.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2021 4.36pm)

It goes further, it is the last word of god, everything before and everything after is to be discarded.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Stirlingsays 23 Sep 21 7.09pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan It goes further, it is the last word of god, everything before and everything after is to be discarded. Yep, which explains why it has licence to be much more dangerous. As Erdogan said, there is no such thing as radical Islam, there is just Islam. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

23 Sep 21 7.09pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

It goes further, it is the last word of god, everything before and everything after is to be discarded.

Yep, which explains why it has licence to be much more dangerous.

As Erdogan said, there is no such thing as radical Islam, there is just Islam.

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