You go crying about names then lay everyone with a different opinion as brainwashed. Double standards from Mr lefty. BTW wissie hasn't replied to many of your posts to him. Maybe he isn't as radical as you assume.

I understood your point, but to suggest Brexit was forced by the voters is untrue. It happened only because the Tory Party agreed to hold a referendum. Which they did in their own interests and not because they believe in referendums. The whole process was hijacked by a well-organised, noisy minority, who then exploited the weaknesses inherent in referendums as a method to determine matters of such huge importance.

The voters were the willing sheep herded into the right booths by misinformation and jam tomorrow promises.

Orban knows he is in trouble with the EU, so it's hardly surprising he is encouraging a separation. Totally different scenario.

Of course those that point to Orban as some sort of 'brexit' validation opportunity are the same people (some on here) that slate China and anything it stands for. Yet Orban is a huge supporter of China and has been pushing for unilateral deals with China and supporting their actions in Hong Kong:

"Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is now openly taunting Germany's enraged government with his ability to veto any unified EU response to China's human rights abuses, particularly in Hong Kong."

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I didn't challenge the point about Orban being the instigator in Hungary, only the idea that it was the voters who drove it here when it wasn't. It was the minority who supported UKIP who drove it, installing fear in Central Office that the Tory Party could implode.

Don't anyone fool themselves into believing, as some would have you believe, that Brexit was the result of a popular uprising against the EU. It was a car crash of epic proportions, the damage from which we are only just beginning to see. We will be lucky to avoid the wheels coming off completely.

I could tell you a story, from personal experience, about just how ridiculous it is in practice. A situation where EU nationals living in the UK are now able to draw bigger benefits than UK citizens. All because of Brexit and the EUSS.

Surely those EU nationals have settlement status, otherwise not sure they can qualify.

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It's amazing how so many people live in an alternative reality to the real world.

Brexit wasn't forced by the voters on anyone. It just scraped over the line via a contaminated process in which the voters were used by the unscrupulous, aided and abetted by the miscalculations of Cameron, the fears of Central Office and the fecklessness of Corbyn.

The consequences of which are now coming into plain sight with steeply rising prices and empty shelves.

Hopefully the people of Hungary will have more sense. Dumping Orban in the process to become a modern progressive state would be a bonus.