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Belmont 24 Mar 21 3.17pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't agree. All words are just words. The power of a word is what we assign to it. It is a personal choice. So if I didn't find something offensive I could go against the accepted norm and say what I like to anybody until their reaction told they found it offensive?
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24 Mar 21 3.17pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't agree. All words are just words. The power of a word is what we assign to it. It is a personal choice.

So if I didn't find something offensive I could go against the accepted norm and say what I like to anybody until their reaction told they found it offensive?

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 21 3.23pm
Originally posted by Belmont So if I didn't find something offensive I could go against the accepted norm and say what I like to anybody until their reaction told they found it offensive? I don't think it's that simple. As a culture we can choose to be more or less sensitive to words. Right now I believe that we are heading down the wrong path of oversensitivity and over reaction. This is about the mixing of cultures and the politics thereof. I don't think we can evolve as a species until we get over such petty small minded stuff. People who enjoy antagonism will always find something to use against you, but we could take a lot of their ammunition off the table if we all just stopped being offended so easily.
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24 Mar 21 3.23pm

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Originally posted by Belmont

So if I didn't find something offensive I could go against the accepted norm and say what I like to anybody until their reaction told they found it offensive?

I don't think it's that simple. As a culture we can choose to be more or less sensitive to words. Right now I believe that we are heading down the wrong path of oversensitivity and over reaction. This is about the mixing of cultures and the politics thereof.
I don't think we can evolve as a species until we get over such petty small minded stuff.
People who enjoy antagonism will always find something to use against you, but we could take a lot of their ammunition off the table if we all just stopped being offended so easily.

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Belmont 24 Mar 21 4.15pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't think it's that simple. As a culture we can choose to be more or less sensitive to words. Right now I believe that we are heading down the wrong path of oversensitivity and over reaction. This is about the mixing of cultures and the politics thereof. I don't think we can evolve as a species until we get over such petty small minded stuff. People who enjoy antagonism will always find something to use against you, but we could take a lot of their ammunition off the table if we all just stopped being offended so easily. Ok I can see the point you are trying to make but let me ask you a question. If a jack booted skinhead with swastika tattoo called me (what I would deem to be) a racially offensive word I'm fairly confident he/she would be using it as he/she viewed my worth as a human to be zero sub human if you like, now that would I think quite rightly P!ss me off. Now if someone else uses that word against me and doesn't have the same outward appearance how would I know that the meaning isn't the same as it very well could be and in my opinion is likely. Should I just shrug that off even though the core of who I am has been insulted. Isn't this the same as online abuse of footballers?
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24 Mar 21 4.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ok I can see the point you are trying to make but let me ask you a question.

If a jack booted skinhead with swastika tattoo called me (what I would deem to be) a racially offensive word I'm fairly confident he/she would be using it as he/she viewed my worth as a human to be zero sub human if you like, now that would I think quite rightly P!ss me off.

Now if someone else uses that word against me and doesn't have the same outward appearance how would I know that the meaning isn't the same as it very well could be and in my opinion is likely.

Should I just shrug that off even though the core of who I am has been insulted.

Isn't this the same as online abuse of footballers?

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cryrst The garden of England 24 Mar 21 9.10pm
Originally posted by Belmont Ok I can see the point you are trying to make but let me ask you a question. If a jack booted skinhead with swastika tattoo called me (what I would deem to be) a racially offensive word I'm fairly confident he/she would be using it as he/she viewed my worth as a human to be zero sub human if you like, now that would I think quite rightly P!ss me off. Now if someone else uses that word against me and doesn't have the same outward appearance how would I know that the meaning isn't the same as it very well could be and in my opinion is likely. Should I just shrug that off even though the core of who I am has been insulted. Isn't this the same as online abuse of footballers? No because some white and black footballers are sometimes f*ing useless and are told so by their own fans. I ask whether black ones are above criticism because they're black. This appears to be Freds take on it. The notorious BIG seems to like the word **** as now you know. Edited by cryrst (24 Mar 2021 9.11pm)
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The garden of England 24 Mar 21 9.10pm

Originally posted by Belmont

Ok I can see the point you are trying to make but let me ask you a question.

Now if someone else uses that word against me and doesn't have the same outward appearance how would I know that the meaning isn't the same as it very well could be and in my opinion is likely.

Should I just shrug that off even though the core of who I am has been insulted.

Isn't this the same as online abuse of footballers?

No because some white and black footballers are sometimes f***ing useless and are told so by their own fans. I ask whether black ones are above criticism because they're black. This appears to be Freds take on it. The notorious BIG seems to like the word ****** as now you know.

Edited by cryrst (24 Mar 2021 9.11pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Mar 21 9.55pm
Originally posted by Belmont Ok I can see the point you are trying to make but let me ask you a question. If a jack booted skinhead with swastika tattoo called me (what I would deem to be) a racially offensive word I'm fairly confident he/she would be using it as he/she viewed my worth as a human to be zero sub human if you like, now that would I think quite rightly P!ss me off. Now if someone else uses that word against me and doesn't have the same outward appearance how would I know that the meaning isn't the same as it very well could be and in my opinion is likely. Should I just shrug that off even though the core of who I am has been insulted. Isn't this the same as online abuse of footballers? How you react to abuse is your own decision, albeit triggered by an emotional response. My issue is that we encouraging people to react to abuse and play the victim when what we should be doing is removing the power of insults and the culprits by minimizing the importance of both. All the time we make a big deal of it, abuse will keep happening with greater frequency. You also have to appreciate that as a White person I am sick of hearing about racism on my TV every day. If ever there was a reason to reject multi culture, the saturation of race issues is it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2021 9.56pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger

24 Mar 21 9.55pm

Originally posted by Belmont

Ok I can see the point you are trying to make but let me ask you a question.

Now if someone else uses that word against me and doesn't have the same outward appearance how would I know that the meaning isn't the same as it very well could be and in my opinion is likely.

Should I just shrug that off even though the core of who I am has been insulted.

Isn't this the same as online abuse of footballers?

How you react to abuse is your own decision, albeit triggered by an emotional response.

My issue is that we encouraging people to react to abuse and play the victim when what we should be doing is removing the power of insults and the culprits by minimizing the importance of both.

All the time we make a big deal of it, abuse will keep happening with greater frequency.

You also have to appreciate that as a White person I am sick of hearing about racism on my TV every day.
If ever there was a reason to reject multi culture, the saturation of race issues is it.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2021 9.56pm)

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Badger11 Beckenham 25 Mar 21 8.20am
This made me laugh [Link] One more point
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Beckenham 25 Mar 21 8.20am

This made me laugh

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One more point

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Belmont 25 Mar 21 9.03am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How you react to abuse is your own decision, albeit triggered by an emotional response. My issue is that we encouraging people to react to abuse and play the victim when what we should be doing is removing the power of insults and the culprits by minimizing the importance of both. All the time we make a big deal of it, abuse will keep happening with greater frequency. You also have to appreciate that as a White person I am sick of hearing about racism on my TV every day. If ever there was a reason to reject multi culture, the saturation of race issues is it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2021 9.56pm) So correct me if I'm wrong but you think my reaction to racist abuse and black footballers response to online abuse is invalid because it just elicits an oversensitive emotional response, but your feelings about how racism is reported in the media (which isn't even abuse) is not being oversensitive and your emotional response to is perfectly valid?
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Belmont

25 Mar 21 9.03am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How you react to abuse is your own decision, albeit triggered by an emotional response.

My issue is that we encouraging people to react to abuse and play the victim when what we should be doing is removing the power of insults and the culprits by minimizing the importance of both.

All the time we make a big deal of it, abuse will keep happening with greater frequency.

You also have to appreciate that as a White person I am sick of hearing about racism on my TV every day.
If ever there was a reason to reject multi culture, the saturation of race issues is it.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2021 9.56pm)

So correct me if I'm wrong but you think my reaction to racist abuse and black footballers response to online abuse is invalid because it just elicits an oversensitive emotional response, but your feelings about how racism is reported in the media (which isn't even abuse) is not being oversensitive and your emotional response to is perfectly valid?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Mar 21 10.45am
Originally posted by Belmont So correct me if I'm wrong but you think my reaction to racist abuse and black footballers response to online abuse is invalid because it just elicits an oversensitive emotional response, but your feelings about how racism is reported in the media (which isn't even abuse) is not being oversensitive and your emotional response to is perfectly valid? Assume we all saw the latest messages posted by Wilf’s mrs yesterday.. just like any other footballer, right?
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Originally posted by Belmont

Assume we all saw the latest messages posted by Wilf’s mrs yesterday.. just like any other footballer, right?

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Belmont 25 Mar 21 11.16am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Assume we all saw the latest messages posted by Wilf’s mrs yesterday.. just like any other footballer, right? Nope where would I see those?
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Belmont

25 Mar 21 11.16am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Assume we all saw the latest messages posted by Wilf’s mrs yesterday.. just like any other footballer, right?

Nope where would I see those?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 21 11.23am
Originally posted by Belmont Nope where would I see those? I presume Twitter, but haven't looked. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 21 11.23am

Originally posted by Belmont

Nope where would I see those?

I presume Twitter, but haven't looked.

Red and Blue Army!

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 25 Mar 21 12.00pm
Originally posted by Badger11 This made me laugh [Link] Me too! Imagine the outcry today if that was shown. Where's Alf Garnett when you need him eh?
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Midhurst 25 Mar 21 12.00pm

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Originally posted by Badger11

This made me laugh

[Link]

Me too! Imagine the outcry today if that was shown. Where's Alf Garnett when you need him eh?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Mar 21 12.50pm
Originally posted by Belmont Nope where would I see those? I don’t even think I’d be allowed to post the screenshots here, but there’s a twitter account @CPFCWill who has posted them.
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 25 Mar 21 12.50pm

Originally posted by Belmont

Nope where would I see those?

I don’t even think I’d be allowed to post the screenshots here, but there’s a twitter account @CPFCWill who has posted them.

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